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Gretchen Whitmer caught on hot mic bragging about ignoring locals — ‘We’re used to people saying fuck no and doing it anyway’ (www.themidwesterner.news)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZJduwPpBY Hard to hear audio though

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[–] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

The truth is, their point is made weaker for using a far-right trash source with low credibility. Why they used that specific source should raise serious eyebrows.

In fairness, I simply asked a question; how they responded reveals so much more. Though if you're regurgitating the most fringe fucking garbage right-wing media points that just so happens to have wedge-drive the left, yes, I think that raises some red flags.

I will continue to call such people out, and if they instead turned around and went, "Hey yeah you're right, this source is dogshit and Snopes couldn't even verify what was said in the video, so sorry for spreading this bullshit nazi trash" I'd say no harm no foul.

Edit: By the way, I never said they were center-right; I was citing MBFC. Please, I encourage one to read more carefully. Though anyone with half a brain knows by the standards of Overton Window, that means far-right in US politics. If you disagree, then congratulations, you're enabling fascism or should review the rightward trajectory of the Overton Window.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    My brother in Christ you already described it as being center-right and now you're exaggerating that to try and make your point more sailient

    I agree that its an irreputable source and that the quality of the source should always be pointed out. But if you seriously think using a less than reputable source on a link aggregator site when it confirms their biases makes someone a Nazi I'm pretty damn confident your bar is set cartoonishly low.

    I don't care whether you think they have credibility, you can make your case that they don't; calling anyone and everyone a Nazi still damages yours. Your point would be stronger sans that assertion.

    I didn't downvote you, but I think you can see lots of others did-- I guarantee you'd be more well received if you left out the heinous personal attacks without adequate basis and just stuck to your very strong argument that the source is uncredible and not something we should trust blindly.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Brother in Christ, I didn't down-vote you, but also, I don't give a shit enough about your opinion anymore to care to read the rest of it. Sorry. Just being honest! I know the sort of tankies and righties alike on here and take zero stock in their down-votes lol. In fact, sometimes I see that is a net-positive :)

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

    I didn't downvote you

    Lmao

    Youre right, everyone who disagrees with you is a tankie or a right-winger (we have so many of those here). You should just never engage with critique in any form because youre obviously always right, and anyone who disagrees must either be stupid or arguing in bad faith

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  • [–] -1 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

    Oh oops. Let me correct the misclick. Tell you what. I'll even upvote you, since you clearly care so much!

    Also, thanks for confirming you're fucking weird lol.

    Can you see what I tagged you, too? ;)

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    If you downvote someone at the same time as you reply and theres only one downvote, deep at the bottom of a thread, it makes it really obvious it was you, even if activitypub didn't publish votes publicly

    Also, thanks for confirming you're fucking weird lol.

    Says the person crashing out on the fediverse and blatantly arguing in bad faith without knowing the activity pub standard makes all votes public, so its really easy to show you're lying lol

    Yes yes, I'm sure you think I'm a Nazi now too, we all know anyone you disagree with is, but for the record, no. Tagging users is private, at least to my understanding, though I don't have a lot of experience with the feature- I'm not sure if the mobile client I use supports it

    Have a nice day

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  • [–] -1 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

    so its really easy to show you’re lying lol

    Unfortunately, lying requires proof of intent, and we all can all mis-click or just out of habit when you see absurdist comments. How silly, right? Probably just like how this far-right extremist outlet with known low credibility and zero other corroborating sources may have just dropped that video and audio into AI, and reveal something opposite to what Snopes itself was able to ascertain.

    But yeah, yeah... Keep defending fringe right-wing outlets cited as "LOW CREDIBILITY." You keep coming back for more, yet I'm the one crashing out?

    Here, I'll help a fella out and give you with the last response:

    Edit: Oh, and before I go, I'll even toss in another upvote (check and make sure that's from me, too, though. Can't be too sure). You have a nice rest of your day as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    Lol, you're an idiot if you think anyone believes that was a mistake just take the L, and at no point did I defend a right wing outlet, I critisized calling people Nazis without adequate basis, I was very clear about what my position was or wasn't

    Me, like 2 comments ago:

    I agree that its an irreputable source and that the quality of the source should always be pointed out.

    ...and just stuck to your very strong argument that the source is uncredible and not something we should trust blindly.

    Straw man me harder, if you try really hard you can dismiss me as a Nazi too, the whole platform is obviously full of them, after all

    And I don't care how you vote, I care when people transparently argue in bad faith and are intellectually dishonest whenever they think they can get away with it and it serves their ability to "win" the argument. its shitty antisocial behavior, regardless of ideology

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Hey you know what, I thought it over. I don't like coyful bullshit like I pulled and only do that if I think the other side is being insincere (I have little problem fighting fire with fire if I'm convinced they threw started it). But looking it over, I don't think you're like that, so I'll be straight as you already knew: I lied. Sorry for that. I think we misunderstood each other from the start but ultimately believe we have more in common than what divides us, and share a similar vision.

    I'll just leave it at that, but sincerely, have a good rest of your day.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    Thats really fuckin hard to step back and do, either durring conflict or to come back and say after, full credit to you for that, I think we can all aspire to being able to take ownership of it if we realize we don't like how we handled something

    I feel like the internet makes it really hard to tell people's tone and intent with so much of the social ques like expressions and delivery stripped away and in all fairness I was somewhat flippant in my expressing frustration that someone was being compared to a Nazi, and over the internet it can be hard to read how something like that is meant, especially when lots of people are already arguing with you

    A lot of my values system is built on acting in good faith, so I really appreciate being able to get to a place of sincerity. I will say though, I think whem you put your best foot forward ypu often get people's best in response, and you might be surprised how much of the platform is actually lovely folks. Thats part of why Im reflecting that I was somewhat flippant- I didn't put my best foot forward, just wasn't really thinking about it, and I didn't get your best in return 🤷🏻‍♂️.

    Thank you, I hope that you do too :) take care lennybird!

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