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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) Until you realize that many orgs have software that only works on windows. Its not a great situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Storage is super cheap these days. Just buy an extra hard drive for Windows and boot into that on the rare occasion you truly need to use Windows. Or just use a VM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could just use a VM or put on the same disk. There is no reason to spend extra money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Windows has a bad habit of fucking up Linux boot partitions when it updates, so proceed with caution if you decide to keep them on one disk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never had an issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's great for you. Doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve worked as a SWE at Facebook, Google, and LinkedIn, and none of the devs I worked with used Windows. Everyone either used Mac or Linux. It’s just a matter of time before the dev world bleeds out into the consumer world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) We’re a Mac shop here, but almost everyone I know still runs windows on their desktops. The few who don’t are on MacBooks and don’t have desktops. Linux is still a minority, even among developers Edit: I should probably clarify I mean personal desktops, not work provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) At LinkedIn everyone had a Linux desktop that matched the server environment. Very few people actually coded on their desktop though. Most of us used a MacBook then either tested on the desktop or tested on a dev server. At Google, almost everyone used a MacBook or their Goobuntu desktop (Google’s custom version of Ubuntu). Basically everyone would remote into their desktop to write code. Some people used Windows and some used Chromebooks. At Facebook, most used MacBooks, the rest were pretty evenly divided between Windows and Linux (on Thinkpads). Everyone had a Linux dev server in one of the data centers to test on. At every one of these places, the production environment is 100% Linux, so eventually, everyone had to test their code on Linux (except mobile or desktop app developers). Again, I never worked with anyone who used Windows, but I knew there were some people who did, cause they would stick out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Should probably clarify that I meant their home PCs, not work provided ones. Our dev is all done on Mac and then we have remote Linux dev environments for testing if needed. Windows for development is asinine, can definitely agree there. But for home computing it still isn’t taking over. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Corporations have access to a version of windows that doesn’t have telemetry, advertisements or bloatware. Its called Enterprise Edition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That comes at a cost premium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cost wasn’t mentioned in the original scope. OP was saying he hates the telemetry, ads, etc. and then you stated that companies have software that needs windows to run, to which I stated that there is a version that doesn’t have OPs concerns and runs custom apps that companies use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I was actually speaking from personal experience but I see your point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Storage is super cheap these days. Just buy an extra hard drive for Windows and boot into that on the rare occasion you truly need to use Windows. Or just use a VM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could just use a VM or put on the same disk. There is no reason to spend extra money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Windows has a bad habit of fucking up Linux boot partitions when it updates, so proceed with caution if you decide to keep them on one disk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never had an issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's great for you. Doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could just use a VM or put on the same disk. There is no reason to spend extra money permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Windows has a bad habit of fucking up Linux boot partitions when it updates, so proceed with caution if you decide to keep them on one disk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never had an issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's great for you. Doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Windows has a bad habit of fucking up Linux boot partitions when it updates, so proceed with caution if you decide to keep them on one disk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never had an issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's great for you. Doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never had an issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's great for you. Doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's great for you. Doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve worked as a SWE at Facebook, Google, and LinkedIn, and none of the devs I worked with used Windows. Everyone either used Mac or Linux. It’s just a matter of time before the dev world bleeds out into the consumer world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) We’re a Mac shop here, but almost everyone I know still runs windows on their desktops. The few who don’t are on MacBooks and don’t have desktops. Linux is still a minority, even among developers Edit: I should probably clarify I mean personal desktops, not work provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) At LinkedIn everyone had a Linux desktop that matched the server environment. Very few people actually coded on their desktop though. Most of us used a MacBook then either tested on the desktop or tested on a dev server. At Google, almost everyone used a MacBook or their Goobuntu desktop (Google’s custom version of Ubuntu). Basically everyone would remote into their desktop to write code. Some people used Windows and some used Chromebooks. At Facebook, most used MacBooks, the rest were pretty evenly divided between Windows and Linux (on Thinkpads). Everyone had a Linux dev server in one of the data centers to test on. At every one of these places, the production environment is 100% Linux, so eventually, everyone had to test their code on Linux (except mobile or desktop app developers). Again, I never worked with anyone who used Windows, but I knew there were some people who did, cause they would stick out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Should probably clarify that I meant their home PCs, not work provided ones. Our dev is all done on Mac and then we have remote Linux dev environments for testing if needed. Windows for development is asinine, can definitely agree there. But for home computing it still isn’t taking over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) We’re a Mac shop here, but almost everyone I know still runs windows on their desktops. The few who don’t are on MacBooks and don’t have desktops. Linux is still a minority, even among developers Edit: I should probably clarify I mean personal desktops, not work provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) At LinkedIn everyone had a Linux desktop that matched the server environment. Very few people actually coded on their desktop though. Most of us used a MacBook then either tested on the desktop or tested on a dev server. At Google, almost everyone used a MacBook or their Goobuntu desktop (Google’s custom version of Ubuntu). Basically everyone would remote into their desktop to write code. Some people used Windows and some used Chromebooks. At Facebook, most used MacBooks, the rest were pretty evenly divided between Windows and Linux (on Thinkpads). Everyone had a Linux dev server in one of the data centers to test on. At every one of these places, the production environment is 100% Linux, so eventually, everyone had to test their code on Linux (except mobile or desktop app developers). Again, I never worked with anyone who used Windows, but I knew there were some people who did, cause they would stick out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Should probably clarify that I meant their home PCs, not work provided ones. Our dev is all done on Mac and then we have remote Linux dev environments for testing if needed. Windows for development is asinine, can definitely agree there. But for home computing it still isn’t taking over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) At LinkedIn everyone had a Linux desktop that matched the server environment. Very few people actually coded on their desktop though. Most of us used a MacBook then either tested on the desktop or tested on a dev server. At Google, almost everyone used a MacBook or their Goobuntu desktop (Google’s custom version of Ubuntu). Basically everyone would remote into their desktop to write code. Some people used Windows and some used Chromebooks. At Facebook, most used MacBooks, the rest were pretty evenly divided between Windows and Linux (on Thinkpads). Everyone had a Linux dev server in one of the data centers to test on. At every one of these places, the production environment is 100% Linux, so eventually, everyone had to test their code on Linux (except mobile or desktop app developers). Again, I never worked with anyone who used Windows, but I knew there were some people who did, cause they would stick out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Should probably clarify that I meant their home PCs, not work provided ones. Our dev is all done on Mac and then we have remote Linux dev environments for testing if needed. Windows for development is asinine, can definitely agree there. But for home computing it still isn’t taking over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Should probably clarify that I meant their home PCs, not work provided ones. Our dev is all done on Mac and then we have remote Linux dev environments for testing if needed. Windows for development is asinine, can definitely agree there. But for home computing it still isn’t taking over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Corporations have access to a version of windows that doesn’t have telemetry, advertisements or bloatware. Its called Enterprise Edition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That comes at a cost premium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cost wasn’t mentioned in the original scope. OP was saying he hates the telemetry, ads, etc. and then you stated that companies have software that needs windows to run, to which I stated that there is a version that doesn’t have OPs concerns and runs custom apps that companies use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I was actually speaking from personal experience but I see your point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That comes at a cost premium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cost wasn’t mentioned in the original scope. OP was saying he hates the telemetry, ads, etc. and then you stated that companies have software that needs windows to run, to which I stated that there is a version that doesn’t have OPs concerns and runs custom apps that companies use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I was actually speaking from personal experience but I see your point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cost wasn’t mentioned in the original scope. OP was saying he hates the telemetry, ads, etc. and then you stated that companies have software that needs windows to run, to which I stated that there is a version that doesn’t have OPs concerns and runs custom apps that companies use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I was actually speaking from personal experience but I see your point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I was actually speaking from personal experience but I see your point permalink fedilink source parent