▲ 63 ▼ How scary is a democratic socialist candidate? Apparently not as scary as a MAGA one (lite.cnn.com) submitted 3 weeks ago by yonderbarn@lazysoci.al to c/politics@lemmy.world 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] panthera_@lemmy.today -42 points 3 weeks ago (6 children) Then the best choice is to be in the center; neither too far left or too far right. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Mcdolan@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) What if the new far left is the old center? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago Yeah the "far left" believe in having a healthcare system that compares to every other first world country. So either every first world country outside of the U.S. is far left extremists, or the U.S. has strayed very far to the right permalink fedilink source parent [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago Then the new center would be to the right of the old center. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) This thinking is.what enabled trump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] panthera_@lemmy.today -10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) No, moving too far left. Trump continually attacked Biden for his border policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Enkrod@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago plonk <°)))o>< permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Just because a racist politician attacks a politician if not being racist enough doesn't mean that's why he lost. We need to stop censoring conservatives views and feelings above those of their victims. The fact is going right like centrists do reduces voter turnout among the left wing people, not in the people you argue with online because they're typically highly politely engaged but the people who barely show up to vote at all I need to feel like it's even worth it to bother. Candidates to the left of your typical Center trash have been winning a lot and they're not even doing all that much they're just not being total pushovers for fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 point 3 weeks ago They're winning in blue areas. They will not win in purple or red areas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children) Biden was elected President over Trump in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Biden was elected president in 2020 but even that did not stop Trump from having two terms in office somehow. Buying really shut the bed by not Prosecuting Trump for the January 6th attack. If he had put him in prison it would have undone the terrible Legacy of Ford pardoning Nixon and healed the nation far more than what actually transpired which has only created more divisiveness, hate, and harmed the most vulnerable people in our society, which Biden didn't seem to care much about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago Sure, Biden did a terrible job on those topics and others during his office. I'm not sure how this comment is supposed to refutes the point I made, which was that "far left" policies like the prior status quo on immigration wasn't that influential on Biden's electoral odds in 2020 seeing as he won and probably wouldn't have in 2024 given the issues with inflation, grocery prices, and the genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But he certainly would have lost in 2024. Kamala Harris who foolishly said that she would do nothing different than Biden despite the GOP's strategy to link her to Biden lost after replacing him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) I don't disagree that he would have lost in 2024 even without the obvious sundowning. But that's largely independent of the border though. Inflation, food prices, and the genocide in Gaza were all far more influential issues for voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 6 points 3 weeks ago Brilliantly stupid permalink fedilink source parent [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children) The "center" is leading us slowly but surely towards mass death https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/16/economic-growth-could-fall-50-over-20-years-from-climate-shocks-say-actuaries At 3C or more of heating by 2050, there could be more than 4 billion deaths, significant sociopolitical fragmentation worldwide, failure of states (with resulting rapid, enduring, and significant loss of capital), and extinction events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago What? Trump is not center but to the right, probably far right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 weeks ago* Slowly? They're speed running Nazi Germany. On top of making warming worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago 🤣🤣🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [+] LickMySweatyTaint@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mcdolan@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) What if the new far left is the old center? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago Yeah the "far left" believe in having a healthcare system that compares to every other first world country. So either every first world country outside of the U.S. is far left extremists, or the U.S. has strayed very far to the right permalink fedilink source parent [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago Then the new center would be to the right of the old center. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago Yeah the "far left" believe in having a healthcare system that compares to every other first world country. So either every first world country outside of the U.S. is far left extremists, or the U.S. has strayed very far to the right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago Then the new center would be to the right of the old center. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) This thinking is.what enabled trump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] panthera_@lemmy.today -10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) No, moving too far left. Trump continually attacked Biden for his border policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Enkrod@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago plonk <°)))o>< permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Just because a racist politician attacks a politician if not being racist enough doesn't mean that's why he lost. We need to stop censoring conservatives views and feelings above those of their victims. The fact is going right like centrists do reduces voter turnout among the left wing people, not in the people you argue with online because they're typically highly politely engaged but the people who barely show up to vote at all I need to feel like it's even worth it to bother. Candidates to the left of your typical Center trash have been winning a lot and they're not even doing all that much they're just not being total pushovers for fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 point 3 weeks ago They're winning in blue areas. They will not win in purple or red areas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children) Biden was elected President over Trump in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Biden was elected president in 2020 but even that did not stop Trump from having two terms in office somehow. Buying really shut the bed by not Prosecuting Trump for the January 6th attack. If he had put him in prison it would have undone the terrible Legacy of Ford pardoning Nixon and healed the nation far more than what actually transpired which has only created more divisiveness, hate, and harmed the most vulnerable people in our society, which Biden didn't seem to care much about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago Sure, Biden did a terrible job on those topics and others during his office. I'm not sure how this comment is supposed to refutes the point I made, which was that "far left" policies like the prior status quo on immigration wasn't that influential on Biden's electoral odds in 2020 seeing as he won and probably wouldn't have in 2024 given the issues with inflation, grocery prices, and the genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But he certainly would have lost in 2024. Kamala Harris who foolishly said that she would do nothing different than Biden despite the GOP's strategy to link her to Biden lost after replacing him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) I don't disagree that he would have lost in 2024 even without the obvious sundowning. But that's largely independent of the border though. Inflation, food prices, and the genocide in Gaza were all far more influential issues for voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] panthera_@lemmy.today -10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) No, moving too far left. Trump continually attacked Biden for his border policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Enkrod@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago plonk <°)))o>< permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Just because a racist politician attacks a politician if not being racist enough doesn't mean that's why he lost. We need to stop censoring conservatives views and feelings above those of their victims. The fact is going right like centrists do reduces voter turnout among the left wing people, not in the people you argue with online because they're typically highly politely engaged but the people who barely show up to vote at all I need to feel like it's even worth it to bother. Candidates to the left of your typical Center trash have been winning a lot and they're not even doing all that much they're just not being total pushovers for fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 point 3 weeks ago They're winning in blue areas. They will not win in purple or red areas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children) Biden was elected President over Trump in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Biden was elected president in 2020 but even that did not stop Trump from having two terms in office somehow. Buying really shut the bed by not Prosecuting Trump for the January 6th attack. If he had put him in prison it would have undone the terrible Legacy of Ford pardoning Nixon and healed the nation far more than what actually transpired which has only created more divisiveness, hate, and harmed the most vulnerable people in our society, which Biden didn't seem to care much about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago Sure, Biden did a terrible job on those topics and others during his office. I'm not sure how this comment is supposed to refutes the point I made, which was that "far left" policies like the prior status quo on immigration wasn't that influential on Biden's electoral odds in 2020 seeing as he won and probably wouldn't have in 2024 given the issues with inflation, grocery prices, and the genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But he certainly would have lost in 2024. Kamala Harris who foolishly said that she would do nothing different than Biden despite the GOP's strategy to link her to Biden lost after replacing him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) I don't disagree that he would have lost in 2024 even without the obvious sundowning. But that's largely independent of the border though. Inflation, food prices, and the genocide in Gaza were all far more influential issues for voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Just because a racist politician attacks a politician if not being racist enough doesn't mean that's why he lost. We need to stop censoring conservatives views and feelings above those of their victims. The fact is going right like centrists do reduces voter turnout among the left wing people, not in the people you argue with online because they're typically highly politely engaged but the people who barely show up to vote at all I need to feel like it's even worth it to bother. Candidates to the left of your typical Center trash have been winning a lot and they're not even doing all that much they're just not being total pushovers for fascism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 point 3 weeks ago They're winning in blue areas. They will not win in purple or red areas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 point 3 weeks ago They're winning in blue areas. They will not win in purple or red areas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children) Biden was elected President over Trump in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Biden was elected president in 2020 but even that did not stop Trump from having two terms in office somehow. Buying really shut the bed by not Prosecuting Trump for the January 6th attack. If he had put him in prison it would have undone the terrible Legacy of Ford pardoning Nixon and healed the nation far more than what actually transpired which has only created more divisiveness, hate, and harmed the most vulnerable people in our society, which Biden didn't seem to care much about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago Sure, Biden did a terrible job on those topics and others during his office. I'm not sure how this comment is supposed to refutes the point I made, which was that "far left" policies like the prior status quo on immigration wasn't that influential on Biden's electoral odds in 2020 seeing as he won and probably wouldn't have in 2024 given the issues with inflation, grocery prices, and the genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But he certainly would have lost in 2024. Kamala Harris who foolishly said that she would do nothing different than Biden despite the GOP's strategy to link her to Biden lost after replacing him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) I don't disagree that he would have lost in 2024 even without the obvious sundowning. But that's largely independent of the border though. Inflation, food prices, and the genocide in Gaza were all far more influential issues for voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) Biden was elected president in 2020 but even that did not stop Trump from having two terms in office somehow. Buying really shut the bed by not Prosecuting Trump for the January 6th attack. If he had put him in prison it would have undone the terrible Legacy of Ford pardoning Nixon and healed the nation far more than what actually transpired which has only created more divisiveness, hate, and harmed the most vulnerable people in our society, which Biden didn't seem to care much about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago Sure, Biden did a terrible job on those topics and others during his office. I'm not sure how this comment is supposed to refutes the point I made, which was that "far left" policies like the prior status quo on immigration wasn't that influential on Biden's electoral odds in 2020 seeing as he won and probably wouldn't have in 2024 given the issues with inflation, grocery prices, and the genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago Sure, Biden did a terrible job on those topics and others during his office. I'm not sure how this comment is supposed to refutes the point I made, which was that "far left" policies like the prior status quo on immigration wasn't that influential on Biden's electoral odds in 2020 seeing as he won and probably wouldn't have in 2024 given the issues with inflation, grocery prices, and the genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But he certainly would have lost in 2024. Kamala Harris who foolishly said that she would do nothing different than Biden despite the GOP's strategy to link her to Biden lost after replacing him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) I don't disagree that he would have lost in 2024 even without the obvious sundowning. But that's largely independent of the border though. Inflation, food prices, and the genocide in Gaza were all far more influential issues for voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) I don't disagree that he would have lost in 2024 even without the obvious sundowning. But that's largely independent of the border though. Inflation, food prices, and the genocide in Gaza were all far more influential issues for voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago The economy as always was the top issue. Border security was probably second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 6 points 3 weeks ago Brilliantly stupid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children) The "center" is leading us slowly but surely towards mass death https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/16/economic-growth-could-fall-50-over-20-years-from-climate-shocks-say-actuaries At 3C or more of heating by 2050, there could be more than 4 billion deaths, significant sociopolitical fragmentation worldwide, failure of states (with resulting rapid, enduring, and significant loss of capital), and extinction events. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago What? Trump is not center but to the right, probably far right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 weeks ago* Slowly? They're speed running Nazi Germany. On top of making warming worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago What? Trump is not center but to the right, probably far right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 weeks ago* Slowly? They're speed running Nazi Germany. On top of making warming worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LickMySweatyTaint@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent