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[–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Mother Against Drunk Driving decided all of it.

Nobody can defend drunk driving, but the fact you give up your rights during a stop should make you angry.

If you get charged with any other crime you are allowed to talk to a lawyer except in drunk driving. You are tried and convicted on the side of the road and the evidence they use to convict you (your breath) isn't preserved.. it just blows away in the wind.

Nobody should be drunk driving but we still need to change the way we handle suspected drunk driver's

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    I'm pretty sure that if they find a person drunk they have to take that person to a hospital to get a blood test and accurately gauge the alcohol percentage, the test also stands as proof.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    If you were accused of murdering and taken to the hospital for a blood test with a lawyer present people would lose their minds

    But suspected drunk drivers it happens all the time without a lawyer present

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    How many other crimes are directly defined with a time-sensitive impairment?

    If they allowed you to both call a lawyer and wait for them to arrive you could arrange for your lawyer to be a) 2+hrs away, b)alseep or c)any other time delaying tactic.

    I agree I don't like the status quo, but if you have a reasonable alternative that still allows them to catch people who are drunk driving, I'm all ears.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Miranda Rights give you the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney

    These rights go out the window because if you exercise them they simply charge you refusing to comply which carries the same penalty as a drunk driving conviction

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I mean I'm not even American and I know Miranda rights only need to be read to apply to interrogation AFTER being arrested. Typically by that point theyve already determined you're drunk driving based on questions during the detention period.

    refusing to comply with breath tests during a vehicle stop is against the law - I'm not aware of it violating any US rights, though again I'm not american. That'd be like refusing to stop when they tell you to

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    In Canada you have the right to an attorney, without delay, simply being detained ... except when you're suspected of drunk driving

    Section 10(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees every person the right to retain and instruct legal counsel without delay, and the right to be informed of that right upon arrest or detention.

    It's not so much a violation of your rights, but an elimination of that right during that specific situation

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Chaterpedia is a great resource for us - the section 10 discussion explicitly discusses the legal situation of impaired driving.

    https://justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art10b.html

    However, such a limit is justified under section 1 because of the importance of reducing the harm caused by impaired driving

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Because these are two different things, if you're accused of murder they can use whatever you say against you, but in case of drunk driving it doesn't matter what you say, what matter is the results of the test.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    The courts have ruled we have the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney.

    If you do that they then simply charge you with another crime.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    I agree that traffic rules enforcement is not being done in the most fair way but it kinda works.

    Let's say they somehow manage to have lawyers present at the hospital in case of drunk drivers, how would a lawyer help suspected drunk drivers?

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