▲ 29 ▼ Shooting Starlink: The “no limits” partnership between Russia and China (theins.press) submitted 1 month ago by FactChecker@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 13 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) Is Kessler syndrome anything more than just theoretical? Like… isn’t stuff supposed to all burn up in the atmosphere — eventually? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) It's theoretical in that it hasn't happened yet, but it's a chain reaction it's pretty basic math, if the debris up there generate new debris by hitting other satellites faster than the debris burn out then it's pretty certain it will happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Fair, but I still feel like the effect might be overplayed. Any impact is going to generate a lot of heat, and any debris is going to have a lot less structural integrity. Let’s say you actually wanted to inflict Kessler Syndrome on an alien species. You’d find that the altitude makes the difference between hours and centuries of syndrome effect. Debris at 200-500km might get you a few months, whereas 1200-1500km might get you a few centuries. The difference would be atmospheric drag, right? Kessler Syndrome is also a chain reaction. You wouldn’t deploy the material, it needs to already be there [in the form of satellites]. But modern practice is trending toward lower operational orbits for large constellations, isn’t it? I feel like you’d need to deploy satellites with a pretty awesome combination of sheer throughput and sheer ignorance, in order to create the right conditions for a lock-in risk. Worst case, in our current situation, I feel like we would have occasional crashes leading to small localized debris clouds that mostly disburse without causing a cascade. Why would anything else be more plausible is my main question. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? You’d just don’t build important things in such risky ways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Debris don't need structural integrity, it's travelling around 10 times the speed of a bullet even with a small mass traveling at ~8 km/s anything it hits is fucked. localized debris clouds A low other orbit satellite travels around earth every 2 hours, any debris it generates will be similar, there is no such thing as a localized debris cloud. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago Not until it decays from orbit. We have an incredible amount of junk in orbit. https://orbitalradar.com/space-debris-statistics permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) It's theoretical in that it hasn't happened yet, but it's a chain reaction it's pretty basic math, if the debris up there generate new debris by hitting other satellites faster than the debris burn out then it's pretty certain it will happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Fair, but I still feel like the effect might be overplayed. Any impact is going to generate a lot of heat, and any debris is going to have a lot less structural integrity. Let’s say you actually wanted to inflict Kessler Syndrome on an alien species. You’d find that the altitude makes the difference between hours and centuries of syndrome effect. Debris at 200-500km might get you a few months, whereas 1200-1500km might get you a few centuries. The difference would be atmospheric drag, right? Kessler Syndrome is also a chain reaction. You wouldn’t deploy the material, it needs to already be there [in the form of satellites]. But modern practice is trending toward lower operational orbits for large constellations, isn’t it? I feel like you’d need to deploy satellites with a pretty awesome combination of sheer throughput and sheer ignorance, in order to create the right conditions for a lock-in risk. Worst case, in our current situation, I feel like we would have occasional crashes leading to small localized debris clouds that mostly disburse without causing a cascade. Why would anything else be more plausible is my main question. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? You’d just don’t build important things in such risky ways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Debris don't need structural integrity, it's travelling around 10 times the speed of a bullet even with a small mass traveling at ~8 km/s anything it hits is fucked. localized debris clouds A low other orbit satellite travels around earth every 2 hours, any debris it generates will be similar, there is no such thing as a localized debris cloud. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Fair, but I still feel like the effect might be overplayed. Any impact is going to generate a lot of heat, and any debris is going to have a lot less structural integrity. Let’s say you actually wanted to inflict Kessler Syndrome on an alien species. You’d find that the altitude makes the difference between hours and centuries of syndrome effect. Debris at 200-500km might get you a few months, whereas 1200-1500km might get you a few centuries. The difference would be atmospheric drag, right? Kessler Syndrome is also a chain reaction. You wouldn’t deploy the material, it needs to already be there [in the form of satellites]. But modern practice is trending toward lower operational orbits for large constellations, isn’t it? I feel like you’d need to deploy satellites with a pretty awesome combination of sheer throughput and sheer ignorance, in order to create the right conditions for a lock-in risk. Worst case, in our current situation, I feel like we would have occasional crashes leading to small localized debris clouds that mostly disburse without causing a cascade. Why would anything else be more plausible is my main question. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? You’d just don’t build important things in such risky ways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Debris don't need structural integrity, it's travelling around 10 times the speed of a bullet even with a small mass traveling at ~8 km/s anything it hits is fucked. localized debris clouds A low other orbit satellite travels around earth every 2 hours, any debris it generates will be similar, there is no such thing as a localized debris cloud. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Debris don't need structural integrity, it's travelling around 10 times the speed of a bullet even with a small mass traveling at ~8 km/s anything it hits is fucked. localized debris clouds A low other orbit satellite travels around earth every 2 hours, any debris it generates will be similar, there is no such thing as a localized debris cloud. Why would so much material be in just the right altitude to cause such a dramatic effect? Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago Not until it decays from orbit. We have an incredible amount of junk in orbit. https://orbitalradar.com/space-debris-statistics permalink fedilink source parent