▲ -10 ▼ How come no one has taken 'A Hero's Journey' and applied it to the bible? Would this not give more evidence to work of fiction or non fiction? (en.wikipedia.org) submitted 3 weeks ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world 16 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] KRAW@linux.community 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Who are you trying to apply the Hero's Journey too? Jesus? Because it doesn't really fit at all. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) I have to disagree there: The Ordinary World, Baby born to poor people in a manger Call to Adventure Three wise men show up and proclaim him the messiah and help guide him Refusal of the Call A literal 18 year time skip between age 12 and 30 Meeting the Mentor Assumed why he returned from this time skip as a rabbi Crossing the Threshold Gaining his first disciples and preaching Tests, Allies, and Enemies Judas Approach to the Inmost Cave Acceptance of Judas' betrayal Ordeal Obvious Reward 10) The Road Back 11) Resurrection I mean 9 10 and 11 are the same here. Dude came back from the dead. Return with the Elixir. He was said to grant boons to his former disciples before he left the second time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago You can't argue with the faithful with facts, their beliefs don't rest on facts. By it's very nature it's about believing a story they were told when they were children. Before they knew most things had to be priced with facts permalink fedilink source parent [–] KRAW@linux.community 3 points 3 weeks ago* Lol, somebody hasn't actually read the Bible. You have taken quite a few liberties, just in the first few points. Jesus is never portrayed as "ordinary." He's also not born in "ordinary" circumstances because he's born in a time where the king is slaughtering infants due to a prophecy saying a new king will be born, hence how he ended up in the manger. The wisemen don't proclaim anything. An angel appears to Mary before Jesus is born and tells her exactly what will happen and what to do. Jesus is a literal baby at this point. He can't refuse anything Assumptions are of no value compared to facts, or at least something that is actually in a historical text or the actual Bible. This is not what "Crossing the Threshold" would be in the Hero's Journey. It's like Luke leaving Tatooine or Frodo leaving the shire. Jesus is the son of God, at least in the context of the New Testament. There is no "threshold." He's part of an omniscient being. and considering that's almost half of the steps, I don't think we need to go any further permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How about the ancient nation of Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KRAW@linux.community 3 points 3 weeks ago That is a much stronger argument, except Israel is hardly ever portrayed as a "hero." The Bible portrays Israel as a nation that is constant going astray and making the wrong decisions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) I have to disagree there: The Ordinary World, Baby born to poor people in a manger Call to Adventure Three wise men show up and proclaim him the messiah and help guide him Refusal of the Call A literal 18 year time skip between age 12 and 30 Meeting the Mentor Assumed why he returned from this time skip as a rabbi Crossing the Threshold Gaining his first disciples and preaching Tests, Allies, and Enemies Judas Approach to the Inmost Cave Acceptance of Judas' betrayal Ordeal Obvious Reward 10) The Road Back 11) Resurrection I mean 9 10 and 11 are the same here. Dude came back from the dead. Return with the Elixir. He was said to grant boons to his former disciples before he left the second time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago You can't argue with the faithful with facts, their beliefs don't rest on facts. By it's very nature it's about believing a story they were told when they were children. Before they knew most things had to be priced with facts permalink fedilink source parent [–] KRAW@linux.community 3 points 3 weeks ago* Lol, somebody hasn't actually read the Bible. You have taken quite a few liberties, just in the first few points. Jesus is never portrayed as "ordinary." He's also not born in "ordinary" circumstances because he's born in a time where the king is slaughtering infants due to a prophecy saying a new king will be born, hence how he ended up in the manger. The wisemen don't proclaim anything. An angel appears to Mary before Jesus is born and tells her exactly what will happen and what to do. Jesus is a literal baby at this point. He can't refuse anything Assumptions are of no value compared to facts, or at least something that is actually in a historical text or the actual Bible. This is not what "Crossing the Threshold" would be in the Hero's Journey. It's like Luke leaving Tatooine or Frodo leaving the shire. Jesus is the son of God, at least in the context of the New Testament. There is no "threshold." He's part of an omniscient being. and considering that's almost half of the steps, I don't think we need to go any further permalink fedilink source parent
[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago You can't argue with the faithful with facts, their beliefs don't rest on facts. By it's very nature it's about believing a story they were told when they were children. Before they knew most things had to be priced with facts permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KRAW@linux.community 3 points 3 weeks ago* Lol, somebody hasn't actually read the Bible. You have taken quite a few liberties, just in the first few points. Jesus is never portrayed as "ordinary." He's also not born in "ordinary" circumstances because he's born in a time where the king is slaughtering infants due to a prophecy saying a new king will be born, hence how he ended up in the manger. The wisemen don't proclaim anything. An angel appears to Mary before Jesus is born and tells her exactly what will happen and what to do. Jesus is a literal baby at this point. He can't refuse anything Assumptions are of no value compared to facts, or at least something that is actually in a historical text or the actual Bible. This is not what "Crossing the Threshold" would be in the Hero's Journey. It's like Luke leaving Tatooine or Frodo leaving the shire. Jesus is the son of God, at least in the context of the New Testament. There is no "threshold." He's part of an omniscient being. and considering that's almost half of the steps, I don't think we need to go any further permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) How about the ancient nation of Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KRAW@linux.community 3 points 3 weeks ago That is a much stronger argument, except Israel is hardly ever portrayed as a "hero." The Bible portrays Israel as a nation that is constant going astray and making the wrong decisions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KRAW@linux.community 3 points 3 weeks ago That is a much stronger argument, except Israel is hardly ever portrayed as a "hero." The Bible portrays Israel as a nation that is constant going astray and making the wrong decisions. permalink fedilink source parent