▲ 652 ▼ Socialist Momentum Grows As Melat Kiros Wins In Denver | A democratic socialist who lost her job for speaking out about Gaza unseated a 29-year incumbent. (theintercept.com) submitted 1 month ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/politics@lemmy.world 94 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) My dude, they are saying this shit and this is why we're in the boat we are in. Young people historically haven't been showing up to primaries. They're not putting in the effort to get a candidate worth voting for. So you're left with 2 options: Shitty damage mitigation candidate The new Nazi party The system favors the new Nazi party, so yes, inaction and voting 3rd party is objectively supporting the new Nazi party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -3 points 1 month ago (2 children) inaction is, but voting third party allows strategy adjustment based on exit polling and what third parties got votes, which does actually shift things left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) Objectively wrong. In the US presidential election system, the Electoral College forces a maximum of 2 viable parties, and nothing else. It also favors Republicans as it gives them more value per received vote, meaning the Dems need to get more votes than Republicans to win each election, and even then it may not be enough like in 2016. So when you vote for a 3rd party candidate, not only are you again supporting the GOP's victory, you are also allowing them to move the Overton window further right, which is exactly what's been happening. The only thing that has successfully moved the Overton winfow left, in the US, is voting in Dem Socs in DNC primaries, and voting against the GOP candidate no matter what in general elections. Even if your Dem politician is a neo-liberal, voting them in is a SIGNIFICANT slowdown of shifting the Overton window right than by letting the Republican win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You did not respond to anything I actually said and instead made a stock post. voting for 3rd parties that are, for example socialist, shows dems what people are voting against them for. It's true that this favors the gop, that cost is sometimes worth it to shift the dems farther left. If polls show a milquetoast stance on gaza doesn't get you elected... I believe politicians losing over israel for example is why the dems are being pushed left. i never said the third party stands a chance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Have you tried learning basic arithmetic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't see your point and you seem needlessly rude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Electoral college permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago That's not related to what I said, I'm fully aware of the spoiler effect and the fact that third parties are non-viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -3 points 1 month ago (2 children) inaction is, but voting third party allows strategy adjustment based on exit polling and what third parties got votes, which does actually shift things left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) Objectively wrong. In the US presidential election system, the Electoral College forces a maximum of 2 viable parties, and nothing else. It also favors Republicans as it gives them more value per received vote, meaning the Dems need to get more votes than Republicans to win each election, and even then it may not be enough like in 2016. So when you vote for a 3rd party candidate, not only are you again supporting the GOP's victory, you are also allowing them to move the Overton window further right, which is exactly what's been happening. The only thing that has successfully moved the Overton winfow left, in the US, is voting in Dem Socs in DNC primaries, and voting against the GOP candidate no matter what in general elections. Even if your Dem politician is a neo-liberal, voting them in is a SIGNIFICANT slowdown of shifting the Overton window right than by letting the Republican win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You did not respond to anything I actually said and instead made a stock post. voting for 3rd parties that are, for example socialist, shows dems what people are voting against them for. It's true that this favors the gop, that cost is sometimes worth it to shift the dems farther left. If polls show a milquetoast stance on gaza doesn't get you elected... I believe politicians losing over israel for example is why the dems are being pushed left. i never said the third party stands a chance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Have you tried learning basic arithmetic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't see your point and you seem needlessly rude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Electoral college permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago That's not related to what I said, I'm fully aware of the spoiler effect and the fact that third parties are non-viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) Objectively wrong. In the US presidential election system, the Electoral College forces a maximum of 2 viable parties, and nothing else. It also favors Republicans as it gives them more value per received vote, meaning the Dems need to get more votes than Republicans to win each election, and even then it may not be enough like in 2016. So when you vote for a 3rd party candidate, not only are you again supporting the GOP's victory, you are also allowing them to move the Overton window further right, which is exactly what's been happening. The only thing that has successfully moved the Overton winfow left, in the US, is voting in Dem Socs in DNC primaries, and voting against the GOP candidate no matter what in general elections. Even if your Dem politician is a neo-liberal, voting them in is a SIGNIFICANT slowdown of shifting the Overton window right than by letting the Republican win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You did not respond to anything I actually said and instead made a stock post. voting for 3rd parties that are, for example socialist, shows dems what people are voting against them for. It's true that this favors the gop, that cost is sometimes worth it to shift the dems farther left. If polls show a milquetoast stance on gaza doesn't get you elected... I believe politicians losing over israel for example is why the dems are being pushed left. i never said the third party stands a chance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You did not respond to anything I actually said and instead made a stock post. voting for 3rd parties that are, for example socialist, shows dems what people are voting against them for. It's true that this favors the gop, that cost is sometimes worth it to shift the dems farther left. If polls show a milquetoast stance on gaza doesn't get you elected... I believe politicians losing over israel for example is why the dems are being pushed left. i never said the third party stands a chance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Have you tried learning basic arithmetic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't see your point and you seem needlessly rude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Electoral college permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago That's not related to what I said, I'm fully aware of the spoiler effect and the fact that third parties are non-viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I don't see your point and you seem needlessly rude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Electoral college permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago That's not related to what I said, I'm fully aware of the spoiler effect and the fact that third parties are non-viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Electoral college permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago That's not related to what I said, I'm fully aware of the spoiler effect and the fact that third parties are non-viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 point 1 month ago That's not related to what I said, I'm fully aware of the spoiler effect and the fact that third parties are non-viable. permalink fedilink source parent