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[–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The egg is the same organism as the individual that hatches out of it.

It’s like saying “which came first, the infant or the adult”?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Donkeys and horses don't even have the same number of chromosomes.

    But they can breed, which creates a mule (which is usually infertile, but not always).

    Just because animals breed doesn't make the offspring the same species.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Just because animals breed doesn’t make the offspring the same species.

    Species is a construct and falls apart very quickly outside of the common barnyard and kidsbook animals. It can be a useful construct for understanding some things, but its not a "thing" that inherently exists in biology.

    We can impose an idea on organisms, but they have no obligation to follow it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No, but the fallacy is in thinking the new species appears when the egg hatches, rather than when it’s fertilized. The egg is already the new offspring.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Okay, let's back it up a bit..

    Unfertilized eggs do not create offspring. They either create menstrual blood/waste, or breakfast food, depending on the type of creature, mammal or non-mammal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Every egg that hatches was previously fertilized (at least for sexually-reproducing organisms). The animal that hatches from the fertilized egg became a genetically distinct organism when its egg was fertilized, not when the egg was hatched or laid.

    In the case of chickens, eggs are fertilized (if at all) before being laid; and when we talk about “unfertilized eggs”, we usually mean eggs that were laid without being fertilized. Such eggs were not part of the discussion until you introduced them.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I ate two fried unfertilized eggs just a few hours ago.

    Unfertilized eggs literally never create offspring.

    Maybe take a sex-ed class?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What’s your point? Unfertilized eggs don’t hatch, so they’re not part of the scenario in question.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    What's your point? Literal, and wrong, quote from you....

    The [unfertilized] egg is already the new offspring.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    when it’s fertilized.

    You seem to have missed that part.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Did you even read their comment?

    https://lemmy.world/comment/24532177

    No, but the fallacy is in thinking the new species appears when the egg hatches, rather than when it’s fertilized. The egg is already the new offspring.

    This is completely incorrect. Only a fertilized egg can create offspring. But that is not what they said.

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