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The Antinatalism subreddit basically promoting eugenics against autistic people (lemmy.world)
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[+] -10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

They're nuts, for sure.

It's also ridiculously cruel to create a consciousness knowing it'll die.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Unless you are religious and believe in eternal torment after death, death isn't cruel, it's simply an end to life, a permanent return to nonexistence no more or less cruel than having never been born.

    Additionally, while they aren't exactly wrong in that going from nonexistence to existence results in an infinite increase in potential for suffering, that holds true for joy/happiness/pleasure.

    Imo bringing someone into being is not cruel nor wonderful, not moral nor immoral. It simply is.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    This is the only good logical argument I’ve heard against it and I’m on board. People get too emotional talking about this and antinatalists generally approach this from a point of logic.

    Most of the arguments I’ve seen so far are from sheltered first world people that have never suffered. They almost believe it’s a choice or that depression is just being really sad.

    They deny that depression can come up from actual consistently repeated experiences that someone can have no control over.

    The fact that most people on planet earth are suffering is what drives the idea. If your consciousness randomly hopped to the next person born on earth, would you want to live that life?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    It’s also ridiculously cruel to create a consciousness knowing it’ll die.

    No, it isn't. There, now we're on equal rhetorical footing unless you'd like to support that incredibly bold statement with ... anything? A link? A train of thought?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    By that logic, wouldn't the very existence of conscious life be cruel?

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