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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) And which of them thought that communism without capitalism allowed someone to run a for-profit business? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) Any of them, If there is a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met, a person growing their own lemons or acquiring them and giving lemonade to people in exchange for currency can still be communism and wouldn't be a problem. They aren't exploiting laborers by hoarding wealth derived from wage labor. Socialist systems can have markets, and small business enterprises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That's an "if" big enough to drive a train through. There has never been a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met. So, pretending that that's the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you're pretty desperate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It's not the starting point, it's after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) aims to Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business. What about in the real world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) Any of them, If there is a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met, a person growing their own lemons or acquiring them and giving lemonade to people in exchange for currency can still be communism and wouldn't be a problem. They aren't exploiting laborers by hoarding wealth derived from wage labor. Socialist systems can have markets, and small business enterprises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That's an "if" big enough to drive a train through. There has never been a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met. So, pretending that that's the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you're pretty desperate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It's not the starting point, it's after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) aims to Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business. What about in the real world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) That's an "if" big enough to drive a train through. There has never been a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met. So, pretending that that's the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you're pretty desperate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It's not the starting point, it's after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) aims to Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business. What about in the real world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It's not the starting point, it's after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) aims to Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business. What about in the real world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) aims to Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business. What about in the real world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure professor. Keep digging that grave. permalink fedilink source parent