▲ 345 ▼ California drivers sue gas stations for allegedly using AI to inflate prices (www.theguardian.com) submitted 1 month ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world 37 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 1 month ago (4 children) That's illegal as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BennyInc@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) Sure, but now you can blame the AI. Sorry, not our fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) how does the logic work so it's not their fault? if they are price fixing they are price fixing, the mechanism doesn't matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) Yep, if you tell an AI to do something, you are at least partially to blame for whatever it does. They shouldn't be able to avoid responsibility that easily. That's kind if what Germany told Google. "If you have AI write your search summaries, you are responsible for checking its work and liable for its mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) No, you are entirely to blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people permalink fedilink source parent [–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Yeah you're probably on the money there. AI gives you some sort of plausible deniability? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) It didn't work for the RealPage rent price-fixing lawsuit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago It kind of did. They got a slap on the wrist and will still do it. It's the 4th or 5th time they got busted for doing it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 4 points 1 month ago It certainly is. They get caught once in a while. The first time it happened was when I added the term "oligopoly" to my vocabulary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago Tell that to OPEC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is it illegal if they don't collude? The but that makes using AI illegal is if they all use a common platform/service. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's legal if they don't do any communication between the companies. Then nobody can prove that there is collusion. Using AI, that all use the same way to raise the prices and vibe the prices higher as response to the other AI raising prices is even better. Then it's not even any human intent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago Landlords used a common platform to price fix without communication between the companies and that was ruled illegal, it's not quite the same but because of the way public LLMs don't isolate inputs from users, you could argue that if any 2 users input their prices into the same platform they are engaging in collision as the information isn't public. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-proposed-settlement-greystar-largest-us-landlord-end-its Really we should just ban all algorithmic price setting. permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BennyInc@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (2 children) Sure, but now you can blame the AI. Sorry, not our fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) how does the logic work so it's not their fault? if they are price fixing they are price fixing, the mechanism doesn't matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) Yep, if you tell an AI to do something, you are at least partially to blame for whatever it does. They shouldn't be able to avoid responsibility that easily. That's kind if what Germany told Google. "If you have AI write your search summaries, you are responsible for checking its work and liable for its mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) No, you are entirely to blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people permalink fedilink source parent [–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Yeah you're probably on the money there. AI gives you some sort of plausible deniability? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) It didn't work for the RealPage rent price-fixing lawsuit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago It kind of did. They got a slap on the wrist and will still do it. It's the 4th or 5th time they got busted for doing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) how does the logic work so it's not their fault? if they are price fixing they are price fixing, the mechanism doesn't matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) Yep, if you tell an AI to do something, you are at least partially to blame for whatever it does. They shouldn't be able to avoid responsibility that easily. That's kind if what Germany told Google. "If you have AI write your search summaries, you are responsible for checking its work and liable for its mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) No, you are entirely to blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) Yep, if you tell an AI to do something, you are at least partially to blame for whatever it does. They shouldn't be able to avoid responsibility that easily. That's kind if what Germany told Google. "If you have AI write your search summaries, you are responsible for checking its work and liable for its mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) No, you are entirely to blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) No, you are entirely to blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Yeah you're probably on the money there. AI gives you some sort of plausible deniability? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) It didn't work for the RealPage rent price-fixing lawsuit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago It kind of did. They got a slap on the wrist and will still do it. It's the 4th or 5th time they got busted for doing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) It didn't work for the RealPage rent price-fixing lawsuit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago It kind of did. They got a slap on the wrist and will still do it. It's the 4th or 5th time they got busted for doing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago It kind of did. They got a slap on the wrist and will still do it. It's the 4th or 5th time they got busted for doing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 4 points 1 month ago It certainly is. They get caught once in a while. The first time it happened was when I added the term "oligopoly" to my vocabulary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago Tell that to OPEC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is it illegal if they don't collude? The but that makes using AI illegal is if they all use a common platform/service. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's legal if they don't do any communication between the companies. Then nobody can prove that there is collusion. Using AI, that all use the same way to raise the prices and vibe the prices higher as response to the other AI raising prices is even better. Then it's not even any human intent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago Landlords used a common platform to price fix without communication between the companies and that was ruled illegal, it's not quite the same but because of the way public LLMs don't isolate inputs from users, you could argue that if any 2 users input their prices into the same platform they are engaging in collision as the information isn't public. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-proposed-settlement-greystar-largest-us-landlord-end-its Really we should just ban all algorithmic price setting. permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) It's legal if they don't do any communication between the companies. Then nobody can prove that there is collusion. Using AI, that all use the same way to raise the prices and vibe the prices higher as response to the other AI raising prices is even better. Then it's not even any human intent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago Landlords used a common platform to price fix without communication between the companies and that was ruled illegal, it's not quite the same but because of the way public LLMs don't isolate inputs from users, you could argue that if any 2 users input their prices into the same platform they are engaging in collision as the information isn't public. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-proposed-settlement-greystar-largest-us-landlord-end-its Really we should just ban all algorithmic price setting. permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago Landlords used a common platform to price fix without communication between the companies and that was ruled illegal, it's not quite the same but because of the way public LLMs don't isolate inputs from users, you could argue that if any 2 users input their prices into the same platform they are engaging in collision as the information isn't public. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-proposed-settlement-greystar-largest-us-landlord-end-its Really we should just ban all algorithmic price setting. permalink fedilink source parent