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Monke still believes banan will come to him, if only enough fertilizer is sent to Ukraine (media.piefed.social)
submitted 1 month ago by [M] to c/noncredibledefense@piefed.social
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[–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

If they don't get annexed Europe gets to collect on those sweet sweet loans for decades and they maintain their buffer area. I'm sure Ukraine sure feels dumb giving up those nukes and Russia super pinky promising them they would never invade.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    To be fair, it's not like they could have used those nukes anyways. The launch codes were kept in Moscow, and the Russians had no intentions of giving those up. Plus, they didn't have the knowledge of how to maintain them. They could have eventually reversed engineered them, but that would have taken a lot of time, money, and potentially lives. The aid money from America was worth much more to them in the aftermath of the USSR's collapse. Though I do wish they'd been able to get a defensesice agreement out of it, because clearly it would have come in handy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Though I do wish they'd been able to get a defensesice agreement out of it, because clearly it would have come in handy.

    They really tried:

    Another key point was that U.S. State Department lawyers made a distinction between "security guarantee" and "security assurance", referring to the security guarantees that were desired by Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation. "Security guarantee" would have implied the use of military force in assisting its non-nuclear parties attacked by an aggressor (such as artical 42.7 of the Mutual defence clause of the European Defence Union for European Union members), while "security assurance" would simply specify the non-violation of these parties' territorial integrity. In the end, a statement was read into the negotiation record that the (according to the U.S. lawyers) lesser sense of the English word "assurance" would be the sole implied translation for all appearances of both terms in all three language versions of the statement.[18] In the Ukrainian and Russian version of the document, the wording "security guarantees" was used though.[20][21]

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