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[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago* (2 children) degoogle for privacy still use AI chatbot Bruh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) I generally favor local LLM usage, but I will sometimes use Kagi's assistant tools. I trust them to throw out my data a fuckton more than I do Google. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I'm slightly more open to, but "trusting" any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn't just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services. I also just plain don't know what I'd use any LLM for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for. PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model. My biggest LLM use cases have been: A replacement for search, since you typically need multiple searches and multiple sources to get the information you need Code generation, because it's so good at producing entire fully-featured utilities or just let it spin away at implementing some new functionality Helping me out with some random Linux error or difficulty, because support forums are fucking garbage permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have. Can't comment on code generation. I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself". Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification. And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] foreverunsure@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) I think such an all-or-nothing mindset is exactly why people are staying on megacorp services. Besides, Mistral is much more transparent about its data collection, unlike Google, which makes you disable all chat history if you want to prevent training on your inputs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) All-or-nothing mindset people usually do not comment because they want to be helpful. They are a nuisance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) What do you use AI for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Finding sea lions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) To block trolls on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) What is your use case for LLMs? My mindset is all-or-nothing because I have yet to find a use for LLMs. Enlighten me, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Reducing the user's cognitive abilities seems to be the main use of LLMs so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) I generally favor local LLM usage, but I will sometimes use Kagi's assistant tools. I trust them to throw out my data a fuckton more than I do Google. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I'm slightly more open to, but "trusting" any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn't just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services. I also just plain don't know what I'd use any LLM for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for. PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model. My biggest LLM use cases have been: A replacement for search, since you typically need multiple searches and multiple sources to get the information you need Code generation, because it's so good at producing entire fully-featured utilities or just let it spin away at implementing some new functionality Helping me out with some random Linux error or difficulty, because support forums are fucking garbage permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have. Can't comment on code generation. I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself". Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification. And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I'm slightly more open to, but "trusting" any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn't just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services. I also just plain don't know what I'd use any LLM for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for. PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model. My biggest LLM use cases have been: A replacement for search, since you typically need multiple searches and multiple sources to get the information you need Code generation, because it's so good at producing entire fully-featured utilities or just let it spin away at implementing some new functionality Helping me out with some random Linux error or difficulty, because support forums are fucking garbage permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have. Can't comment on code generation. I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself". Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification. And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for. PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model. My biggest LLM use cases have been: A replacement for search, since you typically need multiple searches and multiple sources to get the information you need Code generation, because it's so good at producing entire fully-featured utilities or just let it spin away at implementing some new functionality Helping me out with some random Linux error or difficulty, because support forums are fucking garbage permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have. Can't comment on code generation. I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself". Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification. And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have. Can't comment on code generation. I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself". Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification. And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself". Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification. And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foreverunsure@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) I think such an all-or-nothing mindset is exactly why people are staying on megacorp services. Besides, Mistral is much more transparent about its data collection, unlike Google, which makes you disable all chat history if you want to prevent training on your inputs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) All-or-nothing mindset people usually do not comment because they want to be helpful. They are a nuisance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) What do you use AI for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Finding sea lions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) To block trolls on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) What is your use case for LLMs? My mindset is all-or-nothing because I have yet to find a use for LLMs. Enlighten me, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Reducing the user's cognitive abilities seems to be the main use of LLMs so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) All-or-nothing mindset people usually do not comment because they want to be helpful. They are a nuisance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) What do you use AI for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Finding sea lions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) To block trolls on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) What do you use AI for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Finding sea lions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) To block trolls on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Finding sea lions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) To block trolls on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) What is your use case for LLMs? My mindset is all-or-nothing because I have yet to find a use for LLMs. Enlighten me, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Reducing the user's cognitive abilities seems to be the main use of LLMs so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Reducing the user's cognitive abilities seems to be the main use of LLMs so far. permalink fedilink source parent