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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) To me, it sounds like Brazilian Portuguese (dunno about European Portuguese) has a ridiculous number of diphthongs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) portguese brazillian has a ridiculous number of diphtongs? havr you seen english? it could be my bias as a native speaker but I don't really see many diphtongs in brazillian portuguese permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Which English diphthongs are you talking about? There's the /ɔɪ/ in "choice", and /aʊ/ in "mouth". There's /aɪ/ in "light". Sometimes you hear a distinct /ʊ/ in "slow", but again meaning there's an /oʊ/ diphthong. But, if you dropped that sound and just pronounced it /o/, I think nobody would notice. I think you could argue that many dialects of English do that already. There's also a claim that /eɪ/ is heard in words like "play", and I can maybe see that, but there's also a claim that it's how you pronounce "face", and everyone I know just uses /e/. There's /juː/ as used in words like "music". But, many of the words where that one was once used just use a /uː/ like "student" or "tune". So, that's only /juː/, /ɔɪ/, /aɪ/ and /aʊ/ where the word sounds completely wrong if you don't use the diphthong, and a number of other cases where some dialiects use a diphthong, or some people claim to hear a diphthong. Meanwhiile in Portuguese you have: /aj/ - pai /ɐj/ - leite /ej/ - rei /oj/ - dois /uj/ - fui /aw/ - mau / mal /ɐw/ - saudade /ew/ - seu /iw/ - viu And then add to that all the nasal diphthongs like mão or não. There are a lot of other weird things going on with Portuguese, but really the only English dialect(s) with a similar amount of vowel sounds is Aussie / Kiwi English. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) portguese brazillian has a ridiculous number of diphtongs? havr you seen english? it could be my bias as a native speaker but I don't really see many diphtongs in brazillian portuguese permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Which English diphthongs are you talking about? There's the /ɔɪ/ in "choice", and /aʊ/ in "mouth". There's /aɪ/ in "light". Sometimes you hear a distinct /ʊ/ in "slow", but again meaning there's an /oʊ/ diphthong. But, if you dropped that sound and just pronounced it /o/, I think nobody would notice. I think you could argue that many dialects of English do that already. There's also a claim that /eɪ/ is heard in words like "play", and I can maybe see that, but there's also a claim that it's how you pronounce "face", and everyone I know just uses /e/. There's /juː/ as used in words like "music". But, many of the words where that one was once used just use a /uː/ like "student" or "tune". So, that's only /juː/, /ɔɪ/, /aɪ/ and /aʊ/ where the word sounds completely wrong if you don't use the diphthong, and a number of other cases where some dialiects use a diphthong, or some people claim to hear a diphthong. Meanwhiile in Portuguese you have: /aj/ - pai /ɐj/ - leite /ej/ - rei /oj/ - dois /uj/ - fui /aw/ - mau / mal /ɐw/ - saudade /ew/ - seu /iw/ - viu And then add to that all the nasal diphthongs like mão or não. There are a lot of other weird things going on with Portuguese, but really the only English dialect(s) with a similar amount of vowel sounds is Aussie / Kiwi English. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Which English diphthongs are you talking about? There's the /ɔɪ/ in "choice", and /aʊ/ in "mouth". There's /aɪ/ in "light". Sometimes you hear a distinct /ʊ/ in "slow", but again meaning there's an /oʊ/ diphthong. But, if you dropped that sound and just pronounced it /o/, I think nobody would notice. I think you could argue that many dialects of English do that already. There's also a claim that /eɪ/ is heard in words like "play", and I can maybe see that, but there's also a claim that it's how you pronounce "face", and everyone I know just uses /e/. There's /juː/ as used in words like "music". But, many of the words where that one was once used just use a /uː/ like "student" or "tune". So, that's only /juː/, /ɔɪ/, /aɪ/ and /aʊ/ where the word sounds completely wrong if you don't use the diphthong, and a number of other cases where some dialiects use a diphthong, or some people claim to hear a diphthong. Meanwhiile in Portuguese you have: /aj/ - pai /ɐj/ - leite /ej/ - rei /oj/ - dois /uj/ - fui /aw/ - mau / mal /ɐw/ - saudade /ew/ - seu /iw/ - viu And then add to that all the nasal diphthongs like mão or não. There are a lot of other weird things going on with Portuguese, but really the only English dialect(s) with a similar amount of vowel sounds is Aussie / Kiwi English. permalink fedilink source parent