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What is the difference between piefed and lemmy and what are the advantages of this platform? (cdn.nord.pub)
submitted 3 months ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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in different social networks I often see a table of fediverse alternatives to centralized social networks like twitter = mastodon and so on, but I noticed that the alternative to reddit is piefed and not lemmy, can someone explain what kind of fediverse project this is, and is it different from lemmy?🤔

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[–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Good point. If there is a karma system, the main activity for a sizeable (and by definition overrepresented) chunk of the user base will just use the platform to maximize karma, whether for nefarious purposes or just because people treat gamified systems like games. Having real user registrations (so you can block individual users) as opposed to a 4chan like thing, but having no karma system or engagement optimization algorithm in the feed, are the requirements for a healthy forum.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'd disagree on that:

    Slashdot's moderation & metamoderation system was better than any system without metamoderation,

    & reddit's idiotic you-can-post-or-comment-to-collect-karma-and-delete-your-post-or-comment-keeping-your-karma .. distortion .. isn't something that's intrinsic to karma-systems: they made it intrinsic to their system by choice, which is different.

    I'd have it so that if someone tries karma-farming, the instant they delete the posts/comments, all the karma from those disappears, right then.

    ( actually, I'd have it so that nothing can be deleted, & revisions are limited to 8 or 16 per post/comment: accountability requires that disappearing-of-history not be permitted )

    Also, Slashdot had multiple, not only up/down, kinds of votes..

    That's required, too..

    Being unable to simultaneously vote that something is wrong & that it needs more eyes on it.. is obstruction.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    It’s not like you can detect “if someone tries karma farming”. If the platform displays a measure of engagement with content that a user posts, users will be driven to post things that get them points. Then if the platform uses said metric to rank content, that unavoidably leads to a setup where users look at content posted for the purpose of getting points. Btw lemmy.world is also not free from this, people repost engagement bait stupid shit from Reddit to asklemmy all the time, and those get many upvotes and comments. But at least the users that post these don’t get any meta-post outcomes.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    I'm not saying that ALL karma-farming is machine-catchable by ML or simple rules..

    I AM saying that a subset of it absolutely is:

    I've read that people make statements, then have 50 of their "alts" downvote the others in the discussion, while upvoting them..

    That absolutely is platform-detectable, if it's coded-in.

    Further, the reddit tradition of posting-for-karma-farming, then deleting once the karma's accrued, keeping the karma is specifically what I called-out, & that can be corrected by deleting the karma along with the content-that-had-karma.

    That should be idiot-level requirement, to prevent karma-farming abuse.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Absolutely agree that people will always try to game a system that can be gamed.

    I would agree with real user registration if it didn't open the ID Verification can of worms. Right now there is no way to make a KYC system airtight, and the risk outweighs the benefit, in my opinion. One user per account (if one could easily switch instances) would make for a healthier social ecosystem, though.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t know about you but I didn’t have to present any form of identification for registering here.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You mentioned real user registrations, which I thought was a hypothetical control you were suggesting. Appologies if I misunderstood, I was explaining my thoughts on it.

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