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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 60 points 2 months ago* (7 children) There are 3 browsers. Everything else is just a reskin. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (2 children) You could argue Goanna is its own thing by now. It was forked from Gecko, but Blink/Chromium was initially forked from WebKit. There's also Servo and LibWeb, but I don't think either is really usable yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago Do you think any of these qualify as anything more than hobby projects? I'm not sure I'd consider a single-threaded browser application to be relevant in 2026. IE7 still technically exists too, and if you really wanted to you could run Netscape Navigator, but I wouldn't count them among functional current browsers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tb_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child) What about LadyBird Edit: that's LibWeb permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) vibecoded fashtech, but servo does exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I won't entirely disagree with the vibecode part, but I don't think Lunduke is a particularly trustworthy source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) no, that is exactly the issue. The fact that Andreas Kling is willing to interact with lunduke, dhh, and similar people on a semi-regular basis is not a great look. e: more people you really don't want to associate with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago And only 2 main lineages left, Chromium and WebKit are both KHTML descendants permalink fedilink source parent [–] sudo@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago (3 children) There's also QtWebEngine, WebKitGTK+ and all the tui browsers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 13 points 2 months ago (1 child) QtWebEngine which is Chromium WebKitGTK+ which is WebKit and all the tui browsers ...yeah, and I'm sure someone out there still has a working telegraph, but I wouldn't list it as part of telecommunications infrastructure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) hey, links2 is still alive and well, and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. There's also a few that are actually either chromium or gecko. avoid those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) ... and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. Oh good, so they're kind of on the level of Netscape Navigator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago around and about sorta. still no javascript tho I do use links2 sometimes for looking things up on wikipedia or reading blogs or something like that, easier than starting a gui browser. but the usecase is a tad niche permalink fedilink source parent [–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 2 months ago QtWebEngine is just Chromium. But yes, Links and Lynx are real. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago You meant Konqueror, the other WebKit browser permalink fedilink source parent [–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 7 points 2 months ago This is Lynx erasure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) then what's konqueror? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) WebKit Sorry that's not correct. It used to be WebKit via QtWebKit, but now it's Chromium via QtWebEngine. Fun fact: the KHTML code base that was developed for Konqueror was forked by Apple to create WebKit, and Webkit has been adopted by Google for Blink, so Konqueror is kind of the origin point for all current web browsers except Firefox (which is descended from Netscape). permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlordaMan@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I wouldn’t call all of them simple reskins. Some actually improve on the browser with privacy features and stuff (like brave, but it also ruins it by adding crypto crap). permalink fedilink source parent [–] read_desert@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 months ago Ladybird is being built from the ground up right now, looks promising. Too bad every site under the sun bows to chromium and even when they don’t follow web standards they still become the defacto defaulto standard. Ugh. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (2 children) You could argue Goanna is its own thing by now. It was forked from Gecko, but Blink/Chromium was initially forked from WebKit. There's also Servo and LibWeb, but I don't think either is really usable yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago Do you think any of these qualify as anything more than hobby projects? I'm not sure I'd consider a single-threaded browser application to be relevant in 2026. IE7 still technically exists too, and if you really wanted to you could run Netscape Navigator, but I wouldn't count them among functional current browsers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tb_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child) What about LadyBird Edit: that's LibWeb permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) vibecoded fashtech, but servo does exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I won't entirely disagree with the vibecode part, but I don't think Lunduke is a particularly trustworthy source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) no, that is exactly the issue. The fact that Andreas Kling is willing to interact with lunduke, dhh, and similar people on a semi-regular basis is not a great look. e: more people you really don't want to associate with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago Do you think any of these qualify as anything more than hobby projects? I'm not sure I'd consider a single-threaded browser application to be relevant in 2026. IE7 still technically exists too, and if you really wanted to you could run Netscape Navigator, but I wouldn't count them among functional current browsers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tb_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child) What about LadyBird Edit: that's LibWeb permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) vibecoded fashtech, but servo does exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I won't entirely disagree with the vibecode part, but I don't think Lunduke is a particularly trustworthy source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) no, that is exactly the issue. The fact that Andreas Kling is willing to interact with lunduke, dhh, and similar people on a semi-regular basis is not a great look. e: more people you really don't want to associate with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) vibecoded fashtech, but servo does exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I won't entirely disagree with the vibecode part, but I don't think Lunduke is a particularly trustworthy source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) no, that is exactly the issue. The fact that Andreas Kling is willing to interact with lunduke, dhh, and similar people on a semi-regular basis is not a great look. e: more people you really don't want to associate with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I won't entirely disagree with the vibecode part, but I don't think Lunduke is a particularly trustworthy source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) no, that is exactly the issue. The fact that Andreas Kling is willing to interact with lunduke, dhh, and similar people on a semi-regular basis is not a great look. e: more people you really don't want to associate with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) no, that is exactly the issue. The fact that Andreas Kling is willing to interact with lunduke, dhh, and similar people on a semi-regular basis is not a great look. e: more people you really don't want to associate with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tb_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago Oh, that podcast was with Kling, not about him. That is unfortunate. I remember there was some drama with Ladybird after some he/him pronouns were changed to they/them in the (instructions?). Back then, from my very not-involved point of view, it seemed to come from some sort of misunderstanding/improper pull request. Maybe I was hopeful. ... this lends more credence to my hope being misplaced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago And only 2 main lineages left, Chromium and WebKit are both KHTML descendants permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sudo@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago (3 children) There's also QtWebEngine, WebKitGTK+ and all the tui browsers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 13 points 2 months ago (1 child) QtWebEngine which is Chromium WebKitGTK+ which is WebKit and all the tui browsers ...yeah, and I'm sure someone out there still has a working telegraph, but I wouldn't list it as part of telecommunications infrastructure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) hey, links2 is still alive and well, and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. There's also a few that are actually either chromium or gecko. avoid those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) ... and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. Oh good, so they're kind of on the level of Netscape Navigator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago around and about sorta. still no javascript tho I do use links2 sometimes for looking things up on wikipedia or reading blogs or something like that, easier than starting a gui browser. but the usecase is a tad niche permalink fedilink source parent [–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 2 months ago QtWebEngine is just Chromium. But yes, Links and Lynx are real. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago You meant Konqueror, the other WebKit browser permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 13 points 2 months ago (1 child) QtWebEngine which is Chromium WebKitGTK+ which is WebKit and all the tui browsers ...yeah, and I'm sure someone out there still has a working telegraph, but I wouldn't list it as part of telecommunications infrastructure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) hey, links2 is still alive and well, and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. There's also a few that are actually either chromium or gecko. avoid those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) ... and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. Oh good, so they're kind of on the level of Netscape Navigator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago around and about sorta. still no javascript tho I do use links2 sometimes for looking things up on wikipedia or reading blogs or something like that, easier than starting a gui browser. but the usecase is a tad niche permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anise@awful.systems 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) hey, links2 is still alive and well, and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. There's also a few that are actually either chromium or gecko. avoid those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) ... and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. Oh good, so they're kind of on the level of Netscape Navigator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago around and about sorta. still no javascript tho I do use links2 sometimes for looking things up on wikipedia or reading blogs or something like that, easier than starting a gui browser. but the usecase is a tad niche permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) ... and there are now terminal browsers like chawan that can render images mostly correctly. Oh good, so they're kind of on the level of Netscape Navigator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anise@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago around and about sorta. still no javascript tho I do use links2 sometimes for looking things up on wikipedia or reading blogs or something like that, easier than starting a gui browser. but the usecase is a tad niche permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anise@awful.systems 3 points 2 months ago around and about sorta. still no javascript tho I do use links2 sometimes for looking things up on wikipedia or reading blogs or something like that, easier than starting a gui browser. but the usecase is a tad niche permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 2 months ago QtWebEngine is just Chromium. But yes, Links and Lynx are real. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago You meant Konqueror, the other WebKit browser permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lyrial@anarchist.nexus 7 points 2 months ago This is Lynx erasure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) then what's konqueror? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) WebKit Sorry that's not correct. It used to be WebKit via QtWebKit, but now it's Chromium via QtWebEngine. Fun fact: the KHTML code base that was developed for Konqueror was forked by Apple to create WebKit, and Webkit has been adopted by Google for Blink, so Konqueror is kind of the origin point for all current web browsers except Firefox (which is descended from Netscape). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) WebKit Sorry that's not correct. It used to be WebKit via QtWebKit, but now it's Chromium via QtWebEngine. Fun fact: the KHTML code base that was developed for Konqueror was forked by Apple to create WebKit, and Webkit has been adopted by Google for Blink, so Konqueror is kind of the origin point for all current web browsers except Firefox (which is descended from Netscape). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlordaMan@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I wouldn’t call all of them simple reskins. Some actually improve on the browser with privacy features and stuff (like brave, but it also ruins it by adding crypto crap). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] read_desert@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 months ago Ladybird is being built from the ground up right now, looks promising. Too bad every site under the sun bows to chromium and even when they don’t follow web standards they still become the defacto defaulto standard. Ugh. permalink fedilink source parent