▲ 367 ▼ Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract (www.jeffgeerling.com) submitted 3 months ago by ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/3dprinting@lemmy.world 55 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 7 points 3 months ago (4 children) Damn, I naively bought an A1 a few months ago for my first 3d printer. "Easy for beginners" was really all I knew about them at the time permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (3 children) Bambu Lab printers to me are for the people who don't care about tinkering on their printer as a hobby, and just want to print things without fuss. Stay in their Apple-like ecosystem and their cloud environment and you'll be perfectly happy. If you want the printer itself to be the hobby, there are a number of similar spec devices that with some tinkering can work just as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago You're also giving money to a company that has completely screwed all the people who made 3d printing possible by a culture of open sharing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (2 children) Some tinkering. I'm done with that shit. I want to print stuff not mess with the printer to print something. Say what you want but bamboo brought that to the people as the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived. Sure they are assholes now but they did move the industry forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Right there with you. Until there's another product just like it, I'm going to stick with the ecosystem. I did the hobby thing tinkering on an Ender 3, now I just want my printer to print the models I make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived not exactly, a bunch of patents expired and Bambu were the first to take advantage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago (4 children) What are my options if I don't want the printer itself to be the hobby, and I just want to print without fuss, but I also don't want to deal with all that vertical integration crap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) Well, the most open you can get is Prusa's machines. Repairable, upgradeable, with great customer service to boot. Other companies are more open than Bambu but few support the open-source movement like Prusa. Qidi, Elegoo, etc. all have great printers that I can recommend (Q2 and Centauri Carbon are fantastic options based on feature set) but they don't use a very open firmware. They are compatible with OrcaSlicer and aren't as bad as Bambu though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Prussa has its own issues and are starting to close things down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago Only in the fact that they're restricting commercial repurposing of their IP. They're still just as open in terms of LAN only and using any software you want to interact with your printer directly, without going through their servers. In terms of home users, they still provide every single part as a 3d model you can print at home. I'm not sure what any home users would want beyond what they're offering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You go for a commercial-grade machine and spend thousands, honestly. Imo, none of the other consumer-grade machines really offer that out of the box experience. They all require something, and that something depends on the printer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago Just about any modern printer "just works" these days. Prusa is fantastic in terms of openness and self-repairability, but it is pretty expensive due to the fact that it's all made in the EU, and not in sweatshops in China. The Snapmaker U1 is a good alternative if you want something far less expensive, but it's not going to be quite as open and repairable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago My Anycubic Kobra 3v2 is really easy to print with. Never had a Bambu and I have had several printers now. By far the easiest to just have print a thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago* I have an A1 too, and when the news came out that third-party slicers (like OrcaSlicer, which I was and still am using) were going to be blocked, I set my printer to LAN only mode. I wouldn't recommend a Bambu to newbies to 3D printing anymore, but I'm stuck with mine and it has been printing ok. Like any printer, it struggles with overhangs and such, it's not always a magic "it just works" experience". permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago The problem is they keep ignoring their own EULA and just change things. Their slicer is a fork of an AGPL open source slicer, as such they cannot lock down the software without violating the license. Slice3r does not have the resources to sue Bambu, but Fulu does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago They are... My daughter wanted one for Christmas last year because she's into cosply and it works great out of the box for someone who has no idea about 3d printing.... But from what I've read on here it's not the best company because of all the proprietary shit they keep coming up with. For what daughter uses it for, it does the job and does it well... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tayb@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (3 children) Bambu Lab printers to me are for the people who don't care about tinkering on their printer as a hobby, and just want to print things without fuss. Stay in their Apple-like ecosystem and their cloud environment and you'll be perfectly happy. If you want the printer itself to be the hobby, there are a number of similar spec devices that with some tinkering can work just as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago You're also giving money to a company that has completely screwed all the people who made 3d printing possible by a culture of open sharing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (2 children) Some tinkering. I'm done with that shit. I want to print stuff not mess with the printer to print something. Say what you want but bamboo brought that to the people as the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived. Sure they are assholes now but they did move the industry forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Right there with you. Until there's another product just like it, I'm going to stick with the ecosystem. I did the hobby thing tinkering on an Ender 3, now I just want my printer to print the models I make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived not exactly, a bunch of patents expired and Bambu were the first to take advantage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago (4 children) What are my options if I don't want the printer itself to be the hobby, and I just want to print without fuss, but I also don't want to deal with all that vertical integration crap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) Well, the most open you can get is Prusa's machines. Repairable, upgradeable, with great customer service to boot. Other companies are more open than Bambu but few support the open-source movement like Prusa. Qidi, Elegoo, etc. all have great printers that I can recommend (Q2 and Centauri Carbon are fantastic options based on feature set) but they don't use a very open firmware. They are compatible with OrcaSlicer and aren't as bad as Bambu though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Prussa has its own issues and are starting to close things down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago Only in the fact that they're restricting commercial repurposing of their IP. They're still just as open in terms of LAN only and using any software you want to interact with your printer directly, without going through their servers. In terms of home users, they still provide every single part as a 3d model you can print at home. I'm not sure what any home users would want beyond what they're offering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You go for a commercial-grade machine and spend thousands, honestly. Imo, none of the other consumer-grade machines really offer that out of the box experience. They all require something, and that something depends on the printer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago Just about any modern printer "just works" these days. Prusa is fantastic in terms of openness and self-repairability, but it is pretty expensive due to the fact that it's all made in the EU, and not in sweatshops in China. The Snapmaker U1 is a good alternative if you want something far less expensive, but it's not going to be quite as open and repairable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago My Anycubic Kobra 3v2 is really easy to print with. Never had a Bambu and I have had several printers now. By far the easiest to just have print a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago You're also giving money to a company that has completely screwed all the people who made 3d printing possible by a culture of open sharing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (2 children) Some tinkering. I'm done with that shit. I want to print stuff not mess with the printer to print something. Say what you want but bamboo brought that to the people as the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived. Sure they are assholes now but they did move the industry forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Right there with you. Until there's another product just like it, I'm going to stick with the ecosystem. I did the hobby thing tinkering on an Ender 3, now I just want my printer to print the models I make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived not exactly, a bunch of patents expired and Bambu were the first to take advantage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tayb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Right there with you. Until there's another product just like it, I'm going to stick with the ecosystem. I did the hobby thing tinkering on an Ender 3, now I just want my printer to print the models I make. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago the industry was pretty stagnant till they arrived not exactly, a bunch of patents expired and Bambu were the first to take advantage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago (4 children) What are my options if I don't want the printer itself to be the hobby, and I just want to print without fuss, but I also don't want to deal with all that vertical integration crap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) Well, the most open you can get is Prusa's machines. Repairable, upgradeable, with great customer service to boot. Other companies are more open than Bambu but few support the open-source movement like Prusa. Qidi, Elegoo, etc. all have great printers that I can recommend (Q2 and Centauri Carbon are fantastic options based on feature set) but they don't use a very open firmware. They are compatible with OrcaSlicer and aren't as bad as Bambu though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Prussa has its own issues and are starting to close things down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago Only in the fact that they're restricting commercial repurposing of their IP. They're still just as open in terms of LAN only and using any software you want to interact with your printer directly, without going through their servers. In terms of home users, they still provide every single part as a 3d model you can print at home. I'm not sure what any home users would want beyond what they're offering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tayb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You go for a commercial-grade machine and spend thousands, honestly. Imo, none of the other consumer-grade machines really offer that out of the box experience. They all require something, and that something depends on the printer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago Just about any modern printer "just works" these days. Prusa is fantastic in terms of openness and self-repairability, but it is pretty expensive due to the fact that it's all made in the EU, and not in sweatshops in China. The Snapmaker U1 is a good alternative if you want something far less expensive, but it's not going to be quite as open and repairable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago My Anycubic Kobra 3v2 is really easy to print with. Never had a Bambu and I have had several printers now. By far the easiest to just have print a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) Well, the most open you can get is Prusa's machines. Repairable, upgradeable, with great customer service to boot. Other companies are more open than Bambu but few support the open-source movement like Prusa. Qidi, Elegoo, etc. all have great printers that I can recommend (Q2 and Centauri Carbon are fantastic options based on feature set) but they don't use a very open firmware. They are compatible with OrcaSlicer and aren't as bad as Bambu though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Prussa has its own issues and are starting to close things down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago Only in the fact that they're restricting commercial repurposing of their IP. They're still just as open in terms of LAN only and using any software you want to interact with your printer directly, without going through their servers. In terms of home users, they still provide every single part as a 3d model you can print at home. I'm not sure what any home users would want beyond what they're offering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Prussa has its own issues and are starting to close things down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago Only in the fact that they're restricting commercial repurposing of their IP. They're still just as open in terms of LAN only and using any software you want to interact with your printer directly, without going through their servers. In terms of home users, they still provide every single part as a 3d model you can print at home. I'm not sure what any home users would want beyond what they're offering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago Only in the fact that they're restricting commercial repurposing of their IP. They're still just as open in terms of LAN only and using any software you want to interact with your printer directly, without going through their servers. In terms of home users, they still provide every single part as a 3d model you can print at home. I'm not sure what any home users would want beyond what they're offering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tayb@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You go for a commercial-grade machine and spend thousands, honestly. Imo, none of the other consumer-grade machines really offer that out of the box experience. They all require something, and that something depends on the printer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago Just about any modern printer "just works" these days. Prusa is fantastic in terms of openness and self-repairability, but it is pretty expensive due to the fact that it's all made in the EU, and not in sweatshops in China. The Snapmaker U1 is a good alternative if you want something far less expensive, but it's not going to be quite as open and repairable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago My Anycubic Kobra 3v2 is really easy to print with. Never had a Bambu and I have had several printers now. By far the easiest to just have print a thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago* I have an A1 too, and when the news came out that third-party slicers (like OrcaSlicer, which I was and still am using) were going to be blocked, I set my printer to LAN only mode. I wouldn't recommend a Bambu to newbies to 3D printing anymore, but I'm stuck with mine and it has been printing ok. Like any printer, it struggles with overhangs and such, it's not always a magic "it just works" experience". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago The problem is they keep ignoring their own EULA and just change things. Their slicer is a fork of an AGPL open source slicer, as such they cannot lock down the software without violating the license. Slice3r does not have the resources to sue Bambu, but Fulu does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago They are... My daughter wanted one for Christmas last year because she's into cosply and it works great out of the box for someone who has no idea about 3d printing.... But from what I've read on here it's not the best company because of all the proprietary shit they keep coming up with. For what daughter uses it for, it does the job and does it well... permalink fedilink source parent