▲ 392 ▼ ‘It’s literally going to break me.’ Commuting is now unaffordable for some American workers (edition.cnn.com) submitted 3 months ago by Valuy@lemmy.zip to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 155 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Carbon emissions are only a tiny problem? What world do you live in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jtrek@startrek.website 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) They still put crap in the environment from the tires much of the energy powering them isn't green car culture still creates horrible spaces to live in crashes are still a common, ruinous, event doesn't solve DUI still is expensive to own, maintain, insure car culture promotes isolated, sedentary life, which is bad for physical and mental health Just off the top of my head. If you swapped all the gas cars for electric cars, you still have all those problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) agree strongly on all points except: much of the energy powering them isn't green long debunked. even coal power to EV is better than gasoline emissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Not debunked at all: “Better than gasoline” is a low bar. Coal is still not at all “green”/renewable/sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] akfdmfckwrl@feddit.dk 2 points 3 months ago The production emits a lot of greenhouse gasses, and requires a lot of ressources. Same goes for the infrastructure. EVs perpetuate car dependence, making it difficult to choose green modes transport. The space they take up, pushes everything further apart, making every other mode of travel less climate-friendly, because people have to travel further. Better than ICE cars for the environment, in the same way that a commercial plane is better than a private one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago Tailpipe CO2 emissions are indeed only a fraction of the problem with ICE cars. EVs still cause CO2 emissions from production, maintenance, and especially infrastructure, in addition to being just as dangerous, noisy, and socially disruptive as an ICE car. Further, if they are cheaper to operate, the Jevons Paradox means that we'll end up using more total energy for EVs than we currently do for ICE vehicles, with all of the knock-on effects of pollution and environmental destruction wrought by automobile-oriented land use. That environmental destruction also drives climate change, and the Antheopocene mass extinction currently in progress. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jtrek@startrek.website 8 points 3 months ago (2 children) They still put crap in the environment from the tires much of the energy powering them isn't green car culture still creates horrible spaces to live in crashes are still a common, ruinous, event doesn't solve DUI still is expensive to own, maintain, insure car culture promotes isolated, sedentary life, which is bad for physical and mental health Just off the top of my head. If you swapped all the gas cars for electric cars, you still have all those problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) agree strongly on all points except: much of the energy powering them isn't green long debunked. even coal power to EV is better than gasoline emissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Not debunked at all: “Better than gasoline” is a low bar. Coal is still not at all “green”/renewable/sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] akfdmfckwrl@feddit.dk 2 points 3 months ago The production emits a lot of greenhouse gasses, and requires a lot of ressources. Same goes for the infrastructure. EVs perpetuate car dependence, making it difficult to choose green modes transport. The space they take up, pushes everything further apart, making every other mode of travel less climate-friendly, because people have to travel further. Better than ICE cars for the environment, in the same way that a commercial plane is better than a private one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) agree strongly on all points except: much of the energy powering them isn't green long debunked. even coal power to EV is better than gasoline emissions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Not debunked at all: “Better than gasoline” is a low bar. Coal is still not at all “green”/renewable/sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago Not debunked at all: “Better than gasoline” is a low bar. Coal is still not at all “green”/renewable/sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] akfdmfckwrl@feddit.dk 2 points 3 months ago The production emits a lot of greenhouse gasses, and requires a lot of ressources. Same goes for the infrastructure. EVs perpetuate car dependence, making it difficult to choose green modes transport. The space they take up, pushes everything further apart, making every other mode of travel less climate-friendly, because people have to travel further. Better than ICE cars for the environment, in the same way that a commercial plane is better than a private one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago Tailpipe CO2 emissions are indeed only a fraction of the problem with ICE cars. EVs still cause CO2 emissions from production, maintenance, and especially infrastructure, in addition to being just as dangerous, noisy, and socially disruptive as an ICE car. Further, if they are cheaper to operate, the Jevons Paradox means that we'll end up using more total energy for EVs than we currently do for ICE vehicles, with all of the knock-on effects of pollution and environmental destruction wrought by automobile-oriented land use. That environmental destruction also drives climate change, and the Antheopocene mass extinction currently in progress. permalink fedilink source parent