First off, look in a mirror. Youre being a sexist fuck suggesting that women can’t do construction work and men can’t do cashier work.

Lol, literally reduced to "no u"

suggesting that women can’t do construction work and men can’t do cashier work.

Lol, you lying little slug, you know damn well that I said construction is stereotypically men's work. You just have no response to that so you're going to lie about what I said.

So ill stop your strawman argument right there.

That's not what a strawman is you fucking moron. Ironically, you trying to claim I said women can't do construction is a strawman. But you know that, hence why you're doing the "accuse people of the thing you're actually doing" bullshit.

Side note, just calling everyone you dont agree with sexist

Hey look, another actual strawman. You dishonest little slug>

I never said anything about disabled folk.

Yes, you did, you fucking moron. Do you think minimum wage laws don't also apply to disabled people?

Thats a given, that they should be taken care of and not forced to be homeless.

Why is that a given? You've already argued that people who aren't "valuable" should live in poverty. And indeed that people who don't have the faculties to grind out higher education should be punished for it, which for many people, means punishing them for their disabilities. At the very least, you made it clear you are happy for disabled people to be collateral damage on order to ensure that nobody gets out unpunished for their lack of Christian work effort

I do admit, I shouldn’t have even brought the character discussion into it.

That was all you brought into it, that was the whole argument of your post: that people should be punished with low wages for their perceived character flaws

I just am sick of folks thinking we will have a utopia if the humans who are lazy by choice get everything given to them.

Speaking of fucking strawmen.

And you're ONCE a-fucking-gain getting into it about character discussions. It seems to be your sole obsession: the lazy must be punished!

Take the roofer, and the walmart shelf stocker, have them swap jobs, and let me know which one thinks they should get paid more.

Lol, my current job is way fucking easier and better paid than retail work, and basically every white collar worker I've ever met will tell you that the hardest jobs they've ever had were the worst paid.

Also, you're Once Again getting into about who deserves to be paid will based on how hard working they are. It's become abundantly clear that you never really believed this was about the value of work. Just the moral character.

Then, tell them now thrbwage has been raised and the stocker makes the same as the roofer.

If roofing was fine being paid minimum wage before (obviously they aren't actually paid minimum wage, not humouring your bullshit) then I do not see any reason why someone else being paid more should change that, unless, like you, they're motivated entirely by spite and cruelty.

Either the roofer quits

Lol yeah, I'm sure a lot of construction workers are going to quit their job to work minimum wage retail.

disproportionally affecting poor

Because wealthy people famously don't live in or own buildings. Fucking idiot.

See, you guys dont ever think beyond “give everyone money”.

Damn, you just love strawmanning. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you're deliberately and dishonestly trying to reframe "we should raise the minimum wage to be inline with inflation and the rest of the western world" as "give everyone money". At that point, why not argue that it's unrealistic to pay people at all, just bring back slavery?

Also when did I ever say grandma deserves to die because they work a lower value job?

I asked you why she doesn't, based on the principles you were espousing. I note you can't respond to that, so you're lying about what I said.

I just dont think they need a $60/hr pay to be doing a job like that

Then why does she deserve a living wage at all? What are you basing any of this on? You say that people who don't meet your arbitrary standard of hard work deserve to be impoverished for it, why is that any different to someone who sets the standard higher? If she's not working 12 hours in the mine, why does she deserve to eat? It's an equally arbitrary position to yours, and, frankly, one when vastly more historical precedent.

Full health care and a living wage, OBVIOUSLY they need!

Why is that "OBVIOUS", exactly? You just say things and then get pissy when people ask you to justify them.

Youre really twisting my words here.

Bullshit. Quote the specific thing I said that you think twists your words.

take note I could infer you are being anti-neuro divergent

Bahaha. Are you really getting so desperate as to try this? Have some self respect. Fucking hell.

who is hyper focused and good at one skill but not other should just die, as you wrongfully stated to me.

What exactly is the point of just straight up lying about something me, you, and everyone reading this, know for a fact isn't true. You know I didn't say that, so either explain yourself or I'm just going to start doing the same thing and saying you support legalizing pedophilia.

Not sure if you know this, but engineers built EVERYTHING you use.

Damn, I guess construction workers are worthless then. Not that this anything you do with anything. Your whole fucking point was that non engineers deserve to not be paid well because they aren't "fucking SMART" like engineers, so I was pointing out that a lot of engineers aren't smart in the general sense, which means they should not be paid well by your own fucking standard, regardless of if they actually did "build EVERYTHING I use". Retail workers sold me everything I ever bought, but you still think they deserve poverty.

The fact that you are just insulting me is just sad frankly.

Lol, fuck off

I’m trying to actually have a conversation, without people twisting my words.

Fucking hell, you really are a dishonest piece of human garbage, aren't you?