▲ 690 ▼ Plant-Based Mince Now 29% Cheaper Than Beef at Tesco as Meat Prices Climb (vegconomist.com) submitted 2 months ago by usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml to c/climate@slrpnk.net 212 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago (7 children) A plant should have been way cheaper than meat to begin with. Who do they think they're fooling? permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Just of the top of my head here are some possible ideas to explain why not: Meat subsidies Meat substitutes require more processing and additional ingredients Meat sells a lot more than meat substitutes hence the whole chain benefits more from economies of scale Animals raised for meat can extract nutrition from plants and parts of plants which humans cannot (for example cattle can actually break up the fiber in food and extract nutrition from it, which humans cannot), plus they can eat plants which are far more hardy than most plants grown for human consumption. Some will also eat other animals which humans do not, such as insects. I doubt it's just one of those things that is responsible and suspect it's a mix of those and maybe more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) This is correct, however: You need to also take into account that plants are just the primary ingredients and it needs a lot of intermediary steps during manufacturing. I say this not to say you're incorrect but just to be a more complete picture so it's unassailable permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago what are you on about? don't you know it's far cheaper to grow a bunch of plants and then feed it to an animal for a long period of time while that animal grows and then harvest that animal for a small portion of the calories it consumed? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) Meat and dairy are heavily subsidised permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago I don't know about your country, but here in Poland "meat subsidies" are targeted at improving animal welfare or insurance (e.g. from avian flu for poultry). I fail to see how it is a problem? permalink fedilink source parent [–] coriza@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) If it is the same process I saw years ago they extract something from vegetables that is what gives blood its color and taste, and that is the the sauce that make it taste like meat, and that process, I guess, is expensive at least in part because plants have very little of this compound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Fake meat is expensive because greedy capitalists know they can charge more for it, simple as that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Teppa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) Tell that to BeyondMeat bag holders. -99.10% return in 5 years, the greedy capitalist pigdogs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 point 2 months ago Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Or maybe because stupid prols are paying premium and letting themselves get fucked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do permalink fedilink source parent [–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I can chime in here (I work in plant based meat). It should be but it's not. Why... Lots of reasons. But basicly it's split between animal based meat is artificially cheap and plant based meat costs a lot to make. A lot of the costs (for the good brands) are in the flavorings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago It will only be cheap with large economy of scale factories permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Just of the top of my head here are some possible ideas to explain why not: Meat subsidies Meat substitutes require more processing and additional ingredients Meat sells a lot more than meat substitutes hence the whole chain benefits more from economies of scale Animals raised for meat can extract nutrition from plants and parts of plants which humans cannot (for example cattle can actually break up the fiber in food and extract nutrition from it, which humans cannot), plus they can eat plants which are far more hardy than most plants grown for human consumption. Some will also eat other animals which humans do not, such as insects. I doubt it's just one of those things that is responsible and suspect it's a mix of those and maybe more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) This is correct, however: You need to also take into account that plants are just the primary ingredients and it needs a lot of intermediary steps during manufacturing. I say this not to say you're incorrect but just to be a more complete picture so it's unassailable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago what are you on about? don't you know it's far cheaper to grow a bunch of plants and then feed it to an animal for a long period of time while that animal grows and then harvest that animal for a small portion of the calories it consumed? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) Meat and dairy are heavily subsidised permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago I don't know about your country, but here in Poland "meat subsidies" are targeted at improving animal welfare or insurance (e.g. from avian flu for poultry). I fail to see how it is a problem? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago I don't know about your country, but here in Poland "meat subsidies" are targeted at improving animal welfare or insurance (e.g. from avian flu for poultry). I fail to see how it is a problem? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] coriza@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) If it is the same process I saw years ago they extract something from vegetables that is what gives blood its color and taste, and that is the the sauce that make it taste like meat, and that process, I guess, is expensive at least in part because plants have very little of this compound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Fake meat is expensive because greedy capitalists know they can charge more for it, simple as that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Teppa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) Tell that to BeyondMeat bag holders. -99.10% return in 5 years, the greedy capitalist pigdogs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 point 2 months ago Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Or maybe because stupid prols are paying premium and letting themselves get fucked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Fake meat is expensive because greedy capitalists know they can charge more for it, simple as that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Teppa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) Tell that to BeyondMeat bag holders. -99.10% return in 5 years, the greedy capitalist pigdogs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 point 2 months ago Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Or maybe because stupid prols are paying premium and letting themselves get fucked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Teppa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child) Tell that to BeyondMeat bag holders. -99.10% return in 5 years, the greedy capitalist pigdogs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 point 2 months ago Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 point 2 months ago Haha I didn't know that, that's sorts funny, rip to them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Or maybe because stupid prols are paying premium and letting themselves get fucked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago Agree but if there isn't another option what else can they do permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I can chime in here (I work in plant based meat). It should be but it's not. Why... Lots of reasons. But basicly it's split between animal based meat is artificially cheap and plant based meat costs a lot to make. A lot of the costs (for the good brands) are in the flavorings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago It will only be cheap with large economy of scale factories permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago It will only be cheap with large economy of scale factories permalink fedilink source parent