▲ 907 ▼ Framework says it's selling more Linux laptops than Windows as new Laptop 13 Pro sells out first 7 batches (www.pcguide.com) submitted 3 months ago* by inari@piefed.zip to c/linux@lemmy.ml 129 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] pseudo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) The present tense "support" is not true. If unintentional, probably best to edit the reply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'd be happy to if I could find any evidence it were true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's not how it works, right? You make the accusation; so you provide the evidence. The claim implied in the present tense is that their relationship with DHH (insofar as there was one) is still ongoing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not in the habit of assuming companies that knowingly supported bigots, the benefit of the doubt. If there isn't a clear, loud and non ambiguous walking back of their clear, loud and unambiguous support, then why would you, I or anyone else assume they have done so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because... of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven't retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and... I admit, I can't be sure they haven't sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots. But you, I, and everyone else knows it's not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to "denounce, when questioned". Meh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not "meh" about denouncing bigots. If you've supported a bigot and you don't actively and vocally walk it back, that's not "meh". That's a refusal to acknowledge the issue and the harm done in normalising the voices and visibility of bigots permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'd be happy to if I could find any evidence it were true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's not how it works, right? You make the accusation; so you provide the evidence. The claim implied in the present tense is that their relationship with DHH (insofar as there was one) is still ongoing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not in the habit of assuming companies that knowingly supported bigots, the benefit of the doubt. If there isn't a clear, loud and non ambiguous walking back of their clear, loud and unambiguous support, then why would you, I or anyone else assume they have done so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because... of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven't retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and... I admit, I can't be sure they haven't sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots. But you, I, and everyone else knows it's not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to "denounce, when questioned". Meh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not "meh" about denouncing bigots. If you've supported a bigot and you don't actively and vocally walk it back, that's not "meh". That's a refusal to acknowledge the issue and the harm done in normalising the voices and visibility of bigots permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) That's not how it works, right? You make the accusation; so you provide the evidence. The claim implied in the present tense is that their relationship with DHH (insofar as there was one) is still ongoing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not in the habit of assuming companies that knowingly supported bigots, the benefit of the doubt. If there isn't a clear, loud and non ambiguous walking back of their clear, loud and unambiguous support, then why would you, I or anyone else assume they have done so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because... of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven't retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and... I admit, I can't be sure they haven't sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots. But you, I, and everyone else knows it's not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to "denounce, when questioned". Meh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not "meh" about denouncing bigots. If you've supported a bigot and you don't actively and vocally walk it back, that's not "meh". That's a refusal to acknowledge the issue and the harm done in normalising the voices and visibility of bigots permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not in the habit of assuming companies that knowingly supported bigots, the benefit of the doubt. If there isn't a clear, loud and non ambiguous walking back of their clear, loud and unambiguous support, then why would you, I or anyone else assume they have done so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because... of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven't retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and... I admit, I can't be sure they haven't sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots. But you, I, and everyone else knows it's not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to "denounce, when questioned". Meh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not "meh" about denouncing bigots. If you've supported a bigot and you don't actively and vocally walk it back, that's not "meh". That's a refusal to acknowledge the issue and the harm done in normalising the voices and visibility of bigots permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pseudo@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because... of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven't retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and... I admit, I can't be sure they haven't sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots. But you, I, and everyone else knows it's not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to "denounce, when questioned". Meh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not "meh" about denouncing bigots. If you've supported a bigot and you don't actively and vocally walk it back, that's not "meh". That's a refusal to acknowledge the issue and the harm done in normalising the voices and visibility of bigots permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not "meh" about denouncing bigots. If you've supported a bigot and you don't actively and vocally walk it back, that's not "meh". That's a refusal to acknowledge the issue and the harm done in normalising the voices and visibility of bigots permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update tech company funding racists and transphobes They support and fund DHH to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour. (Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.) (Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm not going to dance around words because you want to protect the sensibilities of a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I want you to stop lying about what Framework did or does, that's all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out. Kinda like you're doing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pseudo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago Frankly, I can live with that framing. On both counts, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eshep@social.trom.tf -2 points 3 months ago @ada 🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself? @pseudo permalink fedilink source parent