▲ 132 ▼ What would the next pres of USA have to do to gain back trust for America? Hold a televised event saying the last person was just a fuck up? (lemmy.world) submitted 3 months ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world 175 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago (3 children) The fact you guys are still treating Trump as a "one off" is wild. To the rest of the world that's the image of Americans, for decades now. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) That is something Americans don't really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn't as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don't seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending. Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel's genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, ... all those bad things that Trump are not hiding. For the rest of the world it's business as usual but this time not behind closed doors. To trust Americans was and it is impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending. Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? "Rescue" Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] netvor@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work. (* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, he's just the worst version of asshole that started with Nixon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bort@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago Yeah the real issue is that the country voted that in. You need to fix that first otherwise it's probably gonna keep happening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) That is something Americans don't really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn't as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don't seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending. Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel's genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, ... all those bad things that Trump are not hiding. For the rest of the world it's business as usual but this time not behind closed doors. To trust Americans was and it is impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending. Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? "Rescue" Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] netvor@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work. (* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending. Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel's genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, ... all those bad things that Trump are not hiding. For the rest of the world it's business as usual but this time not behind closed doors. To trust Americans was and it is impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending. Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? "Rescue" Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] netvor@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work. (* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending. Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? "Rescue" Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] netvor@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work. (* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] netvor@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago i'm no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a "mistake". there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it's just how we humans work. (* - yes I mean tons, plural, I'm pretty sure it's at least few tons :D) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Yeah, he's just the worst version of asshole that started with Nixon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bort@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago Yeah the real issue is that the country voted that in. You need to fix that first otherwise it's probably gonna keep happening. permalink fedilink source parent