▲ 436 ▼ Why the banks want a cashless society (lemmy.world) submitted 3 months ago by K1nsey6@lemmy.world [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world 114 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (4 children) Does nobody use debit FFS? Card-based, zero fees. Don't act like there's only two options. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are still fees for the retailer, and on lower cost purchases, the fees tend to be higher. That's why stores often have a $5 minimum for cards. They don't want people buying a pack of gum with their debit card, and end up costing them more than the meager profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) That’s why stores often have a $5 minimum for cards. no, it's a percentage of total monthly transactions. The $5 minimum is a bullshit excuse to make you buy more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 point 3 months ago The fees on CREDIT cards are confusing, with the percentage changing based on volume, etc. I once found a really good explanation online, and it made perfect sense for about 15 minutes, and then it faded again. Debit cards usually have a fixed fee per transaction, as well as a percentage based on volume. Credit cards don't have that fixed fee, just a percentage of the total, so they don't care if you use it on a small purchase. But if the fixed fee is 50 cents, and you buy something that is 50 cents, they literally lost money. Even in a case where the item is 2 or 3 dollars, that 50 cent charge is a big hit to the profit. Do that 100 times a day on things like cans of soda and candy bars, and much of your profit on those items gets eaten by the fees, and those things are a BIG part of the profit for something like a convenience store. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Debit cards cost merchants 2% , which they add to prices. you thought that was free? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Honestly I didn't even think about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago In the states the machines to process debt are far more expensive than credit, and all of the services I looked into using had a monthly subscription... on top of the fees to take debit. While the fee schedule was less than credit, it was not zero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pfunk1978@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Erm... Pretend like I don't know what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (4 children) You use your bank card to use money in your bank account (or credit union account) to pay for things at the point of sale. Insert or tap the card, and pay for things. Is that seriously not a thing elsewhere?? We also have built-in money transfers, where we can directly pay for things by electronic transfer. No need for any of those 3rd party apps you hear about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) My guess is that they thought you were referring to something called "debit FFS" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago LMAO permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago It's pretty much default in Europe. I feel like credit cards mostly gained popularity here because American companies required them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) INTERAC? Canadian? Orbdoes another country do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potter2010@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Many, most? It may go by different names. "Debit" is more of a generic term for the type of process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card#Debit_cards_around_the_world permalink fedilink source parent [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, Interac. I am Canadian. Elbows up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Merchants pay 2% to Interac. They charge you for this in the purchase price. There is no free in finance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago It's all I use here in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are still fees for the retailer, and on lower cost purchases, the fees tend to be higher. That's why stores often have a $5 minimum for cards. They don't want people buying a pack of gum with their debit card, and end up costing them more than the meager profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) That’s why stores often have a $5 minimum for cards. no, it's a percentage of total monthly transactions. The $5 minimum is a bullshit excuse to make you buy more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 point 3 months ago The fees on CREDIT cards are confusing, with the percentage changing based on volume, etc. I once found a really good explanation online, and it made perfect sense for about 15 minutes, and then it faded again. Debit cards usually have a fixed fee per transaction, as well as a percentage based on volume. Credit cards don't have that fixed fee, just a percentage of the total, so they don't care if you use it on a small purchase. But if the fixed fee is 50 cents, and you buy something that is 50 cents, they literally lost money. Even in a case where the item is 2 or 3 dollars, that 50 cent charge is a big hit to the profit. Do that 100 times a day on things like cans of soda and candy bars, and much of your profit on those items gets eaten by the fees, and those things are a BIG part of the profit for something like a convenience store. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) That’s why stores often have a $5 minimum for cards. no, it's a percentage of total monthly transactions. The $5 minimum is a bullshit excuse to make you buy more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 point 3 months ago The fees on CREDIT cards are confusing, with the percentage changing based on volume, etc. I once found a really good explanation online, and it made perfect sense for about 15 minutes, and then it faded again. Debit cards usually have a fixed fee per transaction, as well as a percentage based on volume. Credit cards don't have that fixed fee, just a percentage of the total, so they don't care if you use it on a small purchase. But if the fixed fee is 50 cents, and you buy something that is 50 cents, they literally lost money. Even in a case where the item is 2 or 3 dollars, that 50 cent charge is a big hit to the profit. Do that 100 times a day on things like cans of soda and candy bars, and much of your profit on those items gets eaten by the fees, and those things are a BIG part of the profit for something like a convenience store. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 point 3 months ago The fees on CREDIT cards are confusing, with the percentage changing based on volume, etc. I once found a really good explanation online, and it made perfect sense for about 15 minutes, and then it faded again. Debit cards usually have a fixed fee per transaction, as well as a percentage based on volume. Credit cards don't have that fixed fee, just a percentage of the total, so they don't care if you use it on a small purchase. But if the fixed fee is 50 cents, and you buy something that is 50 cents, they literally lost money. Even in a case where the item is 2 or 3 dollars, that 50 cent charge is a big hit to the profit. Do that 100 times a day on things like cans of soda and candy bars, and much of your profit on those items gets eaten by the fees, and those things are a BIG part of the profit for something like a convenience store. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Debit cards cost merchants 2% , which they add to prices. you thought that was free? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Honestly I didn't even think about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Honestly I didn't even think about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago In the states the machines to process debt are far more expensive than credit, and all of the services I looked into using had a monthly subscription... on top of the fees to take debit. While the fee schedule was less than credit, it was not zero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pfunk1978@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Erm... Pretend like I don't know what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (4 children) You use your bank card to use money in your bank account (or credit union account) to pay for things at the point of sale. Insert or tap the card, and pay for things. Is that seriously not a thing elsewhere?? We also have built-in money transfers, where we can directly pay for things by electronic transfer. No need for any of those 3rd party apps you hear about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) My guess is that they thought you were referring to something called "debit FFS" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago LMAO permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago It's pretty much default in Europe. I feel like credit cards mostly gained popularity here because American companies required them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) INTERAC? Canadian? Orbdoes another country do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potter2010@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Many, most? It may go by different names. "Debit" is more of a generic term for the type of process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card#Debit_cards_around_the_world permalink fedilink source parent [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, Interac. I am Canadian. Elbows up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Merchants pay 2% to Interac. They charge you for this in the purchase price. There is no free in finance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago It's all I use here in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (4 children) You use your bank card to use money in your bank account (or credit union account) to pay for things at the point of sale. Insert or tap the card, and pay for things. Is that seriously not a thing elsewhere?? We also have built-in money transfers, where we can directly pay for things by electronic transfer. No need for any of those 3rd party apps you hear about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) My guess is that they thought you were referring to something called "debit FFS" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago LMAO permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago It's pretty much default in Europe. I feel like credit cards mostly gained popularity here because American companies required them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) INTERAC? Canadian? Orbdoes another country do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potter2010@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Many, most? It may go by different names. "Debit" is more of a generic term for the type of process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card#Debit_cards_around_the_world permalink fedilink source parent [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, Interac. I am Canadian. Elbows up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Merchants pay 2% to Interac. They charge you for this in the purchase price. There is no free in finance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago It's all I use here in the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) My guess is that they thought you were referring to something called "debit FFS" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago LMAO permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago It's pretty much default in Europe. I feel like credit cards mostly gained popularity here because American companies required them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) INTERAC? Canadian? Orbdoes another country do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potter2010@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Many, most? It may go by different names. "Debit" is more of a generic term for the type of process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card#Debit_cards_around_the_world permalink fedilink source parent [–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, Interac. I am Canadian. Elbows up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Merchants pay 2% to Interac. They charge you for this in the purchase price. There is no free in finance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potter2010@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Many, most? It may go by different names. "Debit" is more of a generic term for the type of process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card#Debit_cards_around_the_world permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, Interac. I am Canadian. Elbows up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Merchants pay 2% to Interac. They charge you for this in the purchase price. There is no free in finance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago Merchants pay 2% to Interac. They charge you for this in the purchase price. There is no free in finance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago It's all I use here in the US. permalink fedilink source parent