▲ 1216 ▼ Dad with Stage 4 cancer dies after insurance company said tumor-shrinking treatment was ‘not medically necessary’ (nypost.com) submitted 3 months ago by slaacaa@lemmy.world to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world 208 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 56 points 3 months ago (2 children) The family should get back every penny they've paid to that insurance company. What the fuck are they paying them for? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago It's also designed to keep people dependent on their employers. You land a salaries position at a company that provides one of the few decent healthcare plans in the US, and suddenly you'll put up with a lot of shit to keep that job... permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) There hasn't been a tax penalty in the US for not having insurance for years now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago It seems some states do impose a tax but it was struck down at the federal level. permalink fedilink source parent [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Until you need surgery and it's 400k. For clarity insurance is a scam. Not going without it in today's climate is taking a massive risk, though Total scam. Shouldn't exist. I hate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago American style health insurance is a scam. I pay around 600 euros a month in Germany, for me and two kids, and there's no such thing as "copay". Delivering a baby costed us about 8 euros in parking fees. This is a private company offering insurance, there's no single payer in Germany. Other European and Asian countries do have single payer, with similar costs (the contribution is then a tax instead of insurance payment). It's the American "five yachts per CEO" model that causes problems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] booly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago It’s cheaper to pay cash than use insurance. Yes, for most people, in most years. But the cost of health care tends to be very, very unevenly distributed. A person might see medical bills of less than $1000 per year for 20 years and then get a single $1,000,000 year. So at that point, it's an annualized cost of $50,000 per year, even if most years it's about $1,000. Some estimates are that 10-30% of all medical spending in the US is in the last year of life. Many believe that because of this distribution, health insurance should primarily be a catastrophic care model where most people pay a premium that doesn't cover anything for the first few thousand, then covers a percentage of the cost up to the out of pocket maximum of like $15,000 or so for a family, but does cover everything after that. For a typical household, being able to predict annual healthcare expenses for the entire year is very useful. And personally, I'm pretty sympathetic to this catastrophic care model as a short term transition to an all payer model that looks like Switzerland's system (private insurance, private providers, mandatory coverage, strict price controls, and subsidies for anyone who can't afford the normal premiums). permalink fedilink source parent [–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) If you could predict everything perfectly then that’s fine. What if instead of a normal delivery, you needed a week in the NICU? Then that $20k quickly becomes $100k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Again, in America, until literally anything happens. I've seen 7 figure bills hit ridiculously quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago It's also designed to keep people dependent on their employers. You land a salaries position at a company that provides one of the few decent healthcare plans in the US, and suddenly you'll put up with a lot of shit to keep that job... permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) There hasn't been a tax penalty in the US for not having insurance for years now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago It seems some states do impose a tax but it was struck down at the federal level. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago It's also designed to keep people dependent on their employers. You land a salaries position at a company that provides one of the few decent healthcare plans in the US, and suddenly you'll put up with a lot of shit to keep that job... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) There hasn't been a tax penalty in the US for not having insurance for years now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago It seems some states do impose a tax but it was struck down at the federal level. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago It seems some states do impose a tax but it was struck down at the federal level. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago It seems some states do impose a tax but it was struck down at the federal level. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Until you need surgery and it's 400k. For clarity insurance is a scam. Not going without it in today's climate is taking a massive risk, though Total scam. Shouldn't exist. I hate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago American style health insurance is a scam. I pay around 600 euros a month in Germany, for me and two kids, and there's no such thing as "copay". Delivering a baby costed us about 8 euros in parking fees. This is a private company offering insurance, there's no single payer in Germany. Other European and Asian countries do have single payer, with similar costs (the contribution is then a tax instead of insurance payment). It's the American "five yachts per CEO" model that causes problems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] booly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago It’s cheaper to pay cash than use insurance. Yes, for most people, in most years. But the cost of health care tends to be very, very unevenly distributed. A person might see medical bills of less than $1000 per year for 20 years and then get a single $1,000,000 year. So at that point, it's an annualized cost of $50,000 per year, even if most years it's about $1,000. Some estimates are that 10-30% of all medical spending in the US is in the last year of life. Many believe that because of this distribution, health insurance should primarily be a catastrophic care model where most people pay a premium that doesn't cover anything for the first few thousand, then covers a percentage of the cost up to the out of pocket maximum of like $15,000 or so for a family, but does cover everything after that. For a typical household, being able to predict annual healthcare expenses for the entire year is very useful. And personally, I'm pretty sympathetic to this catastrophic care model as a short term transition to an all payer model that looks like Switzerland's system (private insurance, private providers, mandatory coverage, strict price controls, and subsidies for anyone who can't afford the normal premiums). permalink fedilink source parent [–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) If you could predict everything perfectly then that’s fine. What if instead of a normal delivery, you needed a week in the NICU? Then that $20k quickly becomes $100k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Again, in America, until literally anything happens. I've seen 7 figure bills hit ridiculously quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Until you need surgery and it's 400k. For clarity insurance is a scam. Not going without it in today's climate is taking a massive risk, though Total scam. Shouldn't exist. I hate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago American style health insurance is a scam. I pay around 600 euros a month in Germany, for me and two kids, and there's no such thing as "copay". Delivering a baby costed us about 8 euros in parking fees. This is a private company offering insurance, there's no single payer in Germany. Other European and Asian countries do have single payer, with similar costs (the contribution is then a tax instead of insurance payment). It's the American "five yachts per CEO" model that causes problems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago American style health insurance is a scam. I pay around 600 euros a month in Germany, for me and two kids, and there's no such thing as "copay". Delivering a baby costed us about 8 euros in parking fees. This is a private company offering insurance, there's no single payer in Germany. Other European and Asian countries do have single payer, with similar costs (the contribution is then a tax instead of insurance payment). It's the American "five yachts per CEO" model that causes problems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago It’s cheaper to pay cash than use insurance. Yes, for most people, in most years. But the cost of health care tends to be very, very unevenly distributed. A person might see medical bills of less than $1000 per year for 20 years and then get a single $1,000,000 year. So at that point, it's an annualized cost of $50,000 per year, even if most years it's about $1,000. Some estimates are that 10-30% of all medical spending in the US is in the last year of life. Many believe that because of this distribution, health insurance should primarily be a catastrophic care model where most people pay a premium that doesn't cover anything for the first few thousand, then covers a percentage of the cost up to the out of pocket maximum of like $15,000 or so for a family, but does cover everything after that. For a typical household, being able to predict annual healthcare expenses for the entire year is very useful. And personally, I'm pretty sympathetic to this catastrophic care model as a short term transition to an all payer model that looks like Switzerland's system (private insurance, private providers, mandatory coverage, strict price controls, and subsidies for anyone who can't afford the normal premiums). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) If you could predict everything perfectly then that’s fine. What if instead of a normal delivery, you needed a week in the NICU? Then that $20k quickly becomes $100k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Again, in America, until literally anything happens. I've seen 7 figure bills hit ridiculously quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] krisevol@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Again, in America, until literally anything happens. I've seen 7 figure bills hit ridiculously quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Again, in America, until literally anything happens. I've seen 7 figure bills hit ridiculously quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] krisevol@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent