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[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) Wont somebody please think of the poor princes??? How many kids had to grow up without their nazi collaborator dad there to guide them on the path of fascism anticommunism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago All those queers? Princes. All those different socialists? Also princes. Hundreds of kingdoms, with millions of dollars each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 4 months ago* guess they didn't make it that far... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) prison system (whose acronym was GULAG) Afaik not true. The average westerner may think so, but GULAG is an acronym for a specific part of the system. copypasted my earlier commentif you would consult the chart from chapter 10: The etymology of GULAG is: "the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)" emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children) were actually politically motivated Thrers an old joke: Two guys in Gulag talk -How many year you've got? -20 -For what? -For nothing. -You fucking liar. You'd get only 10 for nothing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago This is the highest level of political literacy most westerners will ever achieve permalink fedilink source parent [+] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) right but this person isnt really the nuanced type, they're cherrypicking and so am I permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ignoring the part where they're 100% right about spanish anarchists throwing people in camps because it's inconvenient for your bullshit lol, try again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) They also cape for Nazis by ignoring pograms and lynchings to suit their narrative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago Unsurprising permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) china communist Lol, lmao even permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) Wont somebody please think of the poor princes??? How many kids had to grow up without their nazi collaborator dad there to guide them on the path of fascism anticommunism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago All those queers? Princes. All those different socialists? Also princes. Hundreds of kingdoms, with millions of dollars each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 4 months ago* guess they didn't make it that far... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) prison system (whose acronym was GULAG) Afaik not true. The average westerner may think so, but GULAG is an acronym for a specific part of the system. copypasted my earlier commentif you would consult the chart from chapter 10: The etymology of GULAG is: "the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)" emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children) were actually politically motivated Thrers an old joke: Two guys in Gulag talk -How many year you've got? -20 -For what? -For nothing. -You fucking liar. You'd get only 10 for nothing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago This is the highest level of political literacy most westerners will ever achieve permalink fedilink source parent [+] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) right but this person isnt really the nuanced type, they're cherrypicking and so am I permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ignoring the part where they're 100% right about spanish anarchists throwing people in camps because it's inconvenient for your bullshit lol, try again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) They also cape for Nazis by ignoring pograms and lynchings to suit their narrative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago Unsurprising permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) china communist Lol, lmao even permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) Wont somebody please think of the poor princes??? How many kids had to grow up without their nazi collaborator dad there to guide them on the path of fascism anticommunism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago All those queers? Princes. All those different socialists? Also princes. Hundreds of kingdoms, with millions of dollars each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 4 months ago* guess they didn't make it that far... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) prison system (whose acronym was GULAG) Afaik not true. The average westerner may think so, but GULAG is an acronym for a specific part of the system. copypasted my earlier commentif you would consult the chart from chapter 10: The etymology of GULAG is: "the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)" emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children) were actually politically motivated Thrers an old joke: Two guys in Gulag talk -How many year you've got? -20 -For what? -For nothing. -You fucking liar. You'd get only 10 for nothing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago This is the highest level of political literacy most westerners will ever achieve permalink fedilink source parent [+] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) right but this person isnt really the nuanced type, they're cherrypicking and so am I permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago All those queers? Princes. All those different socialists? Also princes. Hundreds of kingdoms, with millions of dollars each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 4 months ago* guess they didn't make it that far... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago All those queers? Princes. All those different socialists? Also princes. Hundreds of kingdoms, with millions of dollars each. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 4 months ago* guess they didn't make it that far... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) prison system (whose acronym was GULAG) Afaik not true. The average westerner may think so, but GULAG is an acronym for a specific part of the system. copypasted my earlier commentif you would consult the chart from chapter 10: The etymology of GULAG is: "the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)" emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children) were actually politically motivated Thrers an old joke: Two guys in Gulag talk -How many year you've got? -20 -For what? -For nothing. -You fucking liar. You'd get only 10 for nothing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago This is the highest level of political literacy most westerners will ever achieve permalink fedilink source parent [+] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) right but this person isnt really the nuanced type, they're cherrypicking and so am I permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) prison system (whose acronym was GULAG) Afaik not true. The average westerner may think so, but GULAG is an acronym for a specific part of the system. copypasted my earlier commentif you would consult the chart from chapter 10: The etymology of GULAG is: "the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)" emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children) were actually politically motivated Thrers an old joke: Two guys in Gulag talk -How many year you've got? -20 -For what? -For nothing. -You fucking liar. You'd get only 10 for nothing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago This is the highest level of political literacy most westerners will ever achieve permalink fedilink source parent [+] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago This is the highest level of political literacy most westerners will ever achieve permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) right but this person isnt really the nuanced type, they're cherrypicking and so am I permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) fair enough do you have that graph comparing gulag mortalities in the 50s to amount of DOJ prisoner deaths by any chance? It might be an even better illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ignoring the part where they're 100% right about spanish anarchists throwing people in camps because it's inconvenient for your bullshit lol, try again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) They also cape for Nazis by ignoring pograms and lynchings to suit their narrative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago Unsurprising permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) china communist Lol, lmao even permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ignoring the part where they're 100% right about spanish anarchists throwing people in camps because it's inconvenient for your bullshit lol, try again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) They also cape for Nazis by ignoring pograms and lynchings to suit their narrative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago Unsurprising permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) china communist Lol, lmao even permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ignoring the part where they're 100% right about spanish anarchists throwing people in camps because it's inconvenient for your bullshit lol, try again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) They also cape for Nazis by ignoring pograms and lynchings to suit their narrative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago Unsurprising permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) They also cape for Nazis by ignoring pograms and lynchings to suit their narrative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago Unsurprising permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) china communist Lol, lmao even permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) china communist Lol, lmao even permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) The people's stock market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange The people's billionaires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth Marx famously advocated for billionaires to hoard wealth and to have stock exchanges, he said that's the true path to communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago Markets =/= capitalism Read a book permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Marx himself believed that socialism was only possible after a capitalist phase and that it was precisely capitalism’s tendencies that would make socialism appear, and in turn give way to communism eventually. (Emphasis mine.) This isn't quite true. Marx believed revolution would happen in developed capitalist economies first, but not that this was absolute. See his famous letter to Otechestvenniye Zapiski: Be that as it may, as I do not like to leave anything to “guesswork”, I shall speak straight out. In order to reach an informed judgment of the economic development of contemporary Russia, I learned Russian and then spent several long years studying official publications and others with a bearing on this subject. I have arrived at this result: if Russia continues along the path it has followed since 1861, it will miss the finest chance that history has ever offered to a nation, only to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist system. Marx did cross out this paragraph, but you can see that Marx did not hold such a rigid, formulaic view of the progression in modes of production. That said, whatever came to Russia even without going through capitalism would still have needed to go through socialism to reach communism, they just did not need a period of bourgeois domination and profit above all. permalink fedilink source parent