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[–] 64 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Calling unnecessary circumcision of boys "genital mutilation" sounds frivolous because it makes it sound like you're placing it alongside FGM in terms of its effects and severity. But it is nevertheless genital mutilation, by just about any definition you care to put forward. The men living in the non-circumcision-crazed countries of the world aren't constantly having their blackened rotten cocks drop off from all the dick disease they're allegedly exposed to by having an intact penis, so I don't understand why you would feel the need to do this to your kid without a specific medical reason (of which there are very few that require surgical removal of the skin).

"But if you don't wash it, it gets dickcheese!" and the solution to that is slicing the fucking skin off of it? The clue is in the warning: wash it. Teach your sons to care for their wilberts. Telling them to lather up their bellend in the shower is hardly something that needs prompting anyway.

Personal/intimate hygiene should be part of regular schooling. Not even as part of sex ex, just "how to care for your vessel" kinda shit. Don't drink to excess, walk and move at least 10 minutes a day, stay away from illegal drugs, be careful with prescription drugs, and wash your bastard stinksausage.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It's interesting that the pro circumcision crowd who rant about hygiene don't support girls having their labia cut off to prevent grime from accumulating between the folds. Circumcision should be reserved for actual medical reasons, like phimosis, and if possible at age of consent.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The "hygiene" argument just shows me how backwards Americans are

    Have the stupid cunts not heard of soap?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If you don't wash behind your ears, bacteria will grow and cause it to smell. By their logic, they should be chopping off ears as well.

    The purpose of circumcision is to make maturation and sex less pleasurable as it removes about 1/3 of sensory nerves and meant to make it more difficult to masturbate because you can't just pull on tight skin. You can still perform the basic acts of sex and masturbation, but it's not as pleasurable. Likewise, one can still hear without ears even if it's not as good as those with intact ears.

    Just goes to show how insane these people are.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    and if possible at age of consent.

    While I agree with the majority of the argument, I don't agree with this point. Age of consent is mainly a political thing, disregarding the actualities involved with teenagers and sexual life, and discrediting those who have problems before that set age.

    Biologically, pubescence which is around 13 is where this decision should be undertaken, as this is the point where the individual is sexually mature.

    Medical problems start before the age of consent so the individuals which are sexually mature should have the option to treat this condition.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The age of consent is not the age of sexual maturity for a reason. Girls as young as 6 can start their periods and can get pregnant, but they're not mature enough to make informed decisions about their reproductive health, or really anything in general.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes that is correct, but you're misinterpreting my initial argument. As by sexual maturity I mean the average age of sexual maturity which as implied within my statement was 13.

    But, alas. It is a problem on my end with my argument not being clear enough on that - I can thank you on pointing that error out.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    I still think you have a misunderstanding of what the age of consent is. It's simply the age where a person is deemed mature enough to consent to having sex with an adult.

    It's not disregarding teen sexualities as it doesn't punish two people under the age of consent for having sex, and it has nothing to do with reproductive health issues a child might experience. It is to punish adults for taking advantage of a child.

    No one is saying that parents shouldn't be able to approve medically necessary circumcision. They're saying that parents shouldn't be able to approve it for cosmetic reasons, and that the child should be the ones making that decision when they're old enough to do.

    The age of consent just happens to be when we deem children old enough to make their own decisions about sex, so it makes sense to restrict cosmetics circumcision until at least then.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I still think you have a misunderstanding of what the age of consent is. It's simply the age where a person is deemed mature enough to consent to having sex with an adult.

    I am aware of that fact. The point here is that people below the age of consent shall be able to decide what they want to do as opposed to waiting till the age of consent, as stated within my first argument.

    In essence, teenagers should have a degree of say, because they are capable of understanding medical decisions and shouldn't be restricted towards the age of consent - which usually is used for sexual consent with another person. In addition, age of consent already does one thing, which is sexual consent to others. It shouldnt dictate what you do to yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    The age of consent in most of the US is 16, which I think is a reasonable age to allow the decision.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Well I do respect your opinion; however, teenagers should have more autonomy in terms of their own body. Age of consent should remain just that - the age of consent to sex, not anything else.

    In addition, I don't think we should rely on arguments grounded on opinions - just as its the case with it matching the age of consent, without further clarification. There are also publications such as WHO which further exemplify the point I'm trying to make.

    Also, according to this Neuroscience article which is related to gender affirming care:

    adolescents possess the capabilities required to engage in adult-like cognitive control and decision-making

    To conclude, the original argument had unclear motives and objectives - of course feedback had enabled to see this problem. Further evidence has been provided to reinforce the position of decision making to not be based on age of consent. Additionally, within research, age of consent has no influence on personal decision making - in terms of your own self.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    As an American who wasn't circumcised, this country is so fucking weird about it. Like I got teased for it occasionally. People talk about hygiene, but from what I hear you're unlikely to find a guy who cleans his asshole but not his foreskin. Like, do what you want with your body, get circumcised if you want, bifurcate the thing if you want, I don't even have a dick anymore, but circumcising babies is taking that freedom away from them for reasons that always sound ludicrous to me.

    And for the attractiveness thing, I've had exes who think foreskin is really hot, and personally I think dicks look super weird without it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    There was an uncircumcised kid at my daycare we made fun of. We didn't know why his was different than ours and thought HE was the weird one. Turns out no, it was our dumbass parents and the asshole doctors who did that to us that were the problem.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    “But if you don’t wash it, it gets dickcheese!”

    did you know that when you don't wash your hands you get lot of dirt stuck behind your fingernails? i got an idea! maybe we should take a pair of pliers and take those off as well. does that sound reasonable? no? that's exactly how this "argument" makes me feel. when you don't wash it then it gets dirty so we'd better cut it off is some really dumb stuff...

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