▲ 68 ▼ When did Jesus become a christian? (piefed.world) submitted 3 months ago by SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world 175 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] troed@fedia.io 28 points 3 months ago (1 child) Never - he was a Jewish prophet. Christianity was invented by Paulus. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Why did a jewish prophet become the spokesperson for a different religion? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because his followers created the religion based off of his teachings. After he died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] -10 points 3 months ago (2 children) He wasn't a very good jewish prophet if his teachings made people not want to be jewish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whaleross@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago I think you need to understand that nobody here is provoked by this and people are genuinely trying to help you understand what you are asking about. Because you come off as attempting to be an edgy troll and failing miserably. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) Arguably they didn't. The modern trappings of Christianity were invented out of the whole cloth from Paul of Tarsus, when he had a "vision" of Jesus conveniently not seen by anyone else purportedly while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. Notably, all of this went down some decades after big J's death. It was Paul who discarded the bulk of the Jewish stuff, either out of desire to make it more palatable to his Roman peers or, possibly, simply because he was a raving nut. Paul was a self-described persecutor of the existing Christians, so he would have been in a pretty good position to know what their beliefs were to use as a starting point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Paul hated christians so he invented christianity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] redsand@infosec.pub 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Mohammed did the same thing. It's how many religions branch off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Wait could you explain that one more? I read his biography before and explicitly remember him becoming a Muslim at 40. Before that he was either hanif or agnostic depending on sources but I don't remember him following Judaism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago I'm gonna send you to Religion for Breakfast and Useful Charts on YouTube. I don't remember this well enough offhand permalink fedilink source parent [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Mohammad was a jew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 months ago* Judaism, Christianity and Islam all are abrahemitic religions and share the same roots, so pretty much, yes Although I'm not that versed with the story of Mohammed Edit: basically Islam and Christianity developed out of Judaism, but they differ in who they see as the promised Messiah permalink fedilink source parent [–] redsand@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago Not really. He was a prince in a branch of Judaism that often lists Jesus as a prophet. Kinda. You're gonna have to hit Wikipedia or YouTube. Religion for breakfast maybe? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) I don't think so, but Islam was heavily influenced by Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Sabianism back in the day if they meant that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago Sabianism is interesting, because I've read (don't recall the source, sorry!) that they had a chance to convert to Islam or die, so they became "technically" Muslim, without really being Muslim. I don't really know though, but if you can toss me any educational links about it, I'd really appreciate it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whaleross@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago He didn't. He is still the Jewish prophet for the Jewish cult offshoot that was then a branch of Judaism and is now called Christianity. Original christians are really Jews with some extra lore on top. But people are people and people are tribal and they need someone band against together, so now we have a plethora of different abrahamic religions that are all pissy and nasty against each other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago It was convenient. Him being already dead, he couldn't get in the way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) Why did a jewish prophet become the spokesperson for a different religion? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because his followers created the religion based off of his teachings. After he died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] -10 points 3 months ago (2 children) He wasn't a very good jewish prophet if his teachings made people not want to be jewish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whaleross@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago I think you need to understand that nobody here is provoked by this and people are genuinely trying to help you understand what you are asking about. Because you come off as attempting to be an edgy troll and failing miserably. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) Arguably they didn't. The modern trappings of Christianity were invented out of the whole cloth from Paul of Tarsus, when he had a "vision" of Jesus conveniently not seen by anyone else purportedly while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. Notably, all of this went down some decades after big J's death. It was Paul who discarded the bulk of the Jewish stuff, either out of desire to make it more palatable to his Roman peers or, possibly, simply because he was a raving nut. Paul was a self-described persecutor of the existing Christians, so he would have been in a pretty good position to know what their beliefs were to use as a starting point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Paul hated christians so he invented christianity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] redsand@infosec.pub 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Mohammed did the same thing. It's how many religions branch off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Wait could you explain that one more? I read his biography before and explicitly remember him becoming a Muslim at 40. Before that he was either hanif or agnostic depending on sources but I don't remember him following Judaism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago I'm gonna send you to Religion for Breakfast and Useful Charts on YouTube. I don't remember this well enough offhand permalink fedilink source parent [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Mohammad was a jew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 months ago* Judaism, Christianity and Islam all are abrahemitic religions and share the same roots, so pretty much, yes Although I'm not that versed with the story of Mohammed Edit: basically Islam and Christianity developed out of Judaism, but they differ in who they see as the promised Messiah permalink fedilink source parent [–] redsand@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago Not really. He was a prince in a branch of Judaism that often lists Jesus as a prophet. Kinda. You're gonna have to hit Wikipedia or YouTube. Religion for breakfast maybe? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) I don't think so, but Islam was heavily influenced by Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Sabianism back in the day if they meant that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago Sabianism is interesting, because I've read (don't recall the source, sorry!) that they had a chance to convert to Islam or die, so they became "technically" Muslim, without really being Muslim. I don't really know though, but if you can toss me any educational links about it, I'd really appreciate it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whaleross@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago He didn't. He is still the Jewish prophet for the Jewish cult offshoot that was then a branch of Judaism and is now called Christianity. Original christians are really Jews with some extra lore on top. But people are people and people are tribal and they need someone band against together, so now we have a plethora of different abrahamic religions that are all pissy and nasty against each other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago It was convenient. Him being already dead, he couldn't get in the way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because his followers created the religion based off of his teachings. After he died. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] -10 points 3 months ago (2 children) He wasn't a very good jewish prophet if his teachings made people not want to be jewish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whaleross@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago I think you need to understand that nobody here is provoked by this and people are genuinely trying to help you understand what you are asking about. Because you come off as attempting to be an edgy troll and failing miserably. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) Arguably they didn't. The modern trappings of Christianity were invented out of the whole cloth from Paul of Tarsus, when he had a "vision" of Jesus conveniently not seen by anyone else purportedly while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. Notably, all of this went down some decades after big J's death. It was Paul who discarded the bulk of the Jewish stuff, either out of desire to make it more palatable to his Roman peers or, possibly, simply because he was a raving nut. Paul was a self-described persecutor of the existing Christians, so he would have been in a pretty good position to know what their beliefs were to use as a starting point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Paul hated christians so he invented christianity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] -10 points 3 months ago (2 children) He wasn't a very good jewish prophet if his teachings made people not want to be jewish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whaleross@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago I think you need to understand that nobody here is provoked by this and people are genuinely trying to help you understand what you are asking about. Because you come off as attempting to be an edgy troll and failing miserably. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) Arguably they didn't. The modern trappings of Christianity were invented out of the whole cloth from Paul of Tarsus, when he had a "vision" of Jesus conveniently not seen by anyone else purportedly while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. Notably, all of this went down some decades after big J's death. It was Paul who discarded the bulk of the Jewish stuff, either out of desire to make it more palatable to his Roman peers or, possibly, simply because he was a raving nut. Paul was a self-described persecutor of the existing Christians, so he would have been in a pretty good position to know what their beliefs were to use as a starting point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Paul hated christians so he invented christianity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago I think you need to understand that nobody here is provoked by this and people are genuinely trying to help you understand what you are asking about. Because you come off as attempting to be an edgy troll and failing miserably. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) Arguably they didn't. The modern trappings of Christianity were invented out of the whole cloth from Paul of Tarsus, when he had a "vision" of Jesus conveniently not seen by anyone else purportedly while he was traveling on the road to Damascus. Notably, all of this went down some decades after big J's death. It was Paul who discarded the bulk of the Jewish stuff, either out of desire to make it more palatable to his Roman peers or, possibly, simply because he was a raving nut. Paul was a self-described persecutor of the existing Christians, so he would have been in a pretty good position to know what their beliefs were to use as a starting point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Paul hated christians so he invented christianity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Paul hated christians so he invented christianity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 child) As he told it, Paul hated Christians and then had a vision of Jesus who told him off about it, and then he had a big change of heart and invented (modern) Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 3 points 3 months ago That's wild I'm just reading the wiki link you provided. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redsand@infosec.pub 11 points 3 months ago (2 children) Mohammed did the same thing. It's how many religions branch off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Wait could you explain that one more? I read his biography before and explicitly remember him becoming a Muslim at 40. Before that he was either hanif or agnostic depending on sources but I don't remember him following Judaism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago I'm gonna send you to Religion for Breakfast and Useful Charts on YouTube. I don't remember this well enough offhand permalink fedilink source parent [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Mohammad was a jew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 months ago* Judaism, Christianity and Islam all are abrahemitic religions and share the same roots, so pretty much, yes Although I'm not that versed with the story of Mohammed Edit: basically Islam and Christianity developed out of Judaism, but they differ in who they see as the promised Messiah permalink fedilink source parent [–] redsand@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago Not really. He was a prince in a branch of Judaism that often lists Jesus as a prophet. Kinda. You're gonna have to hit Wikipedia or YouTube. Religion for breakfast maybe? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) I don't think so, but Islam was heavily influenced by Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Sabianism back in the day if they meant that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago Sabianism is interesting, because I've read (don't recall the source, sorry!) that they had a chance to convert to Islam or die, so they became "technically" Muslim, without really being Muslim. I don't really know though, but if you can toss me any educational links about it, I'd really appreciate it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Wait could you explain that one more? I read his biography before and explicitly remember him becoming a Muslim at 40. Before that he was either hanif or agnostic depending on sources but I don't remember him following Judaism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago I'm gonna send you to Religion for Breakfast and Useful Charts on YouTube. I don't remember this well enough offhand permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago I'm gonna send you to Religion for Breakfast and Useful Charts on YouTube. I don't remember this well enough offhand permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world [S] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Mohammad was a jew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 months ago* Judaism, Christianity and Islam all are abrahemitic religions and share the same roots, so pretty much, yes Although I'm not that versed with the story of Mohammed Edit: basically Islam and Christianity developed out of Judaism, but they differ in who they see as the promised Messiah permalink fedilink source parent [–] redsand@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago Not really. He was a prince in a branch of Judaism that often lists Jesus as a prophet. Kinda. You're gonna have to hit Wikipedia or YouTube. Religion for breakfast maybe? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) I don't think so, but Islam was heavily influenced by Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Sabianism back in the day if they meant that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago Sabianism is interesting, because I've read (don't recall the source, sorry!) that they had a chance to convert to Islam or die, so they became "technically" Muslim, without really being Muslim. I don't really know though, but if you can toss me any educational links about it, I'd really appreciate it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 months ago* Judaism, Christianity and Islam all are abrahemitic religions and share the same roots, so pretty much, yes Although I'm not that versed with the story of Mohammed Edit: basically Islam and Christianity developed out of Judaism, but they differ in who they see as the promised Messiah permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redsand@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago Not really. He was a prince in a branch of Judaism that often lists Jesus as a prophet. Kinda. You're gonna have to hit Wikipedia or YouTube. Religion for breakfast maybe? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) I don't think so, but Islam was heavily influenced by Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Sabianism back in the day if they meant that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago Sabianism is interesting, because I've read (don't recall the source, sorry!) that they had a chance to convert to Islam or die, so they became "technically" Muslim, without really being Muslim. I don't really know though, but if you can toss me any educational links about it, I'd really appreciate it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 months ago Sabianism is interesting, because I've read (don't recall the source, sorry!) that they had a chance to convert to Islam or die, so they became "technically" Muslim, without really being Muslim. I don't really know though, but if you can toss me any educational links about it, I'd really appreciate it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago He didn't. He is still the Jewish prophet for the Jewish cult offshoot that was then a branch of Judaism and is now called Christianity. Original christians are really Jews with some extra lore on top. But people are people and people are tribal and they need someone band against together, so now we have a plethora of different abrahamic religions that are all pissy and nasty against each other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago It was convenient. Him being already dead, he couldn't get in the way. permalink fedilink source parent