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[–] Klear@quokk.au 37 points 4 months ago (2 children) what exactly is wrong with the prequels? Each day we stray further from God permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (2 children) They took the baddest bad guy of badguyness (Vader) and turned him into a whinny emo kid. For actual points of "that's fucking stupid".... take a look at this map. This is canonical... I've marked the locations of Coruscant (above galactic center,), Naboo an tatooine in red. I've marked more than a few locations in which they could have gone instead of Tat that would: had what they needed, were significantly safer than tat, would have been able to use (or at least change out) republic credits. but, no. Tatooine. which was a remote, useless dustball that only had it's remoteness as a positive aspect (and that only to criminal elements.) of the places I marke, Eriadu makes the some sense. It's large enough and important enough to have what they'd need- and being on a busy trade up makes it more likely that nobody would care or notice their presence. On the way to Eriadu, however, you also have Sarrassia an Sollust, both of which are heavily built up word's in the republic, and therefor make some sense too. Christophsis is another world that is a major republic world an was quite built up. You'll find that they probably passed through on their way to Tatooine. if you're thinking, 'hey, but the trad federation is everywhere!', its rather unlikely that any of those three planets have an active blockade looking for them, and even less unlikely they'll take an active effort in that conflict. If you find that unconvincing, fair enough, lets got to Pantora. Republic world with reasonable people on it. rather in the middle of no where, off the beaten path an fairly technological. They would at least have been able to get passage to Coruscant, even if they had to leave the shiny thing behind. Which, they probably could have just jumped a passenger liner off Tat, too. details, amirite? Or they could have sent a coded concealed message to the order. gotten a jedi ship out there. all that. That is the level of detail being made in the stories. Their hyperdrive is shat to hell, but hey, they make it entire sectors away, an chose to go limp someplace that is arguably worse than the place they left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Swaus01@piefed.social 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Honestly my favourite thing about star wars is how they treat the canvas of the galaxy as a contained landmass, like it's some medieval fantasy story. Would like to see more fiction that does this. Also - thanks for a detailed critique of the prequels. It's kind of sad how easy it would've been for the creators to avoid this plot logic hole, AND you can't even hand wave it away with "hyperspace lanes" because the map shows that tatooine is not the most direct stop. I also compared your map with an older one (reddit link) to try and figure out if it was just a case of inconsistency from legends-prequels-disney era, and lo and behold the position of star systems is completely consistent. Now a last comment: Star/planet names are even more interesting than I thought in star wars. I'm seeing: Lots of germanic names - "Druckenwell," "Steergard," Spelhaus [North-East] Catholic (or Jedi) names: Monastery, Milagro (miracle in spanish) Terminus, Blutopia (Blue Utopia? lol) Rattatak Wroona and Roona, nearby to one another. Latin namess; Corvus (Crow), Ossus (Bones) which I'd already heard about but the pattern is only emerging now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why is Tatooine so far from Hutt Space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago mostly because the galaxy map in starwars has always been a mess, if we're being honest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children) Well explain then. Yeah I know the dialogue is afwul and some choices like jar jar and too much CGI can be jarring. But what is wrong with the story? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) I wrote some tweaks for it a few years ago, but I'm kinda scared to post it here. The overarching storyline was okay, but it was the execution and the smaller details. Dying of sadness was dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah post it I wanna see your tweaks. Yeah the execution was lacking but if you watched the movies you'll mostly just remember the overall story anyway. Definitely better than the jumbled mess the sequels were. One of the reasons when me and my GF watched star wars I never even bothered telling her they exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah, I just remember the memes XD I'm also one of the few people who thought Ep1 was the best of the prequels. I'm not brave enough for the Disney trilogy. I already went through watching a protag being ruined when I played Apollo Justice, don't need to do it again. Here are my tweaks. https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/11/22/prequels-review-and-fix/ Although Nellith and Luke being the twins is still my headcanon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either. Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swaus01@piefed.social 1 point 4 months ago* Bullets & Blockbusters: "The Original Plans for The Phantom Menace" (YT video) This plan they originally had would be way more rewatchable and aligned - thematically, stylistically and narrative-wise - with what we got in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, both of which I think are more acceptable prequels to A New Hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (2 children) They took the baddest bad guy of badguyness (Vader) and turned him into a whinny emo kid. For actual points of "that's fucking stupid".... take a look at this map. This is canonical... I've marked the locations of Coruscant (above galactic center,), Naboo an tatooine in red. I've marked more than a few locations in which they could have gone instead of Tat that would: had what they needed, were significantly safer than tat, would have been able to use (or at least change out) republic credits. but, no. Tatooine. which was a remote, useless dustball that only had it's remoteness as a positive aspect (and that only to criminal elements.) of the places I marke, Eriadu makes the some sense. It's large enough and important enough to have what they'd need- and being on a busy trade up makes it more likely that nobody would care or notice their presence. On the way to Eriadu, however, you also have Sarrassia an Sollust, both of which are heavily built up word's in the republic, and therefor make some sense too. Christophsis is another world that is a major republic world an was quite built up. You'll find that they probably passed through on their way to Tatooine. if you're thinking, 'hey, but the trad federation is everywhere!', its rather unlikely that any of those three planets have an active blockade looking for them, and even less unlikely they'll take an active effort in that conflict. If you find that unconvincing, fair enough, lets got to Pantora. Republic world with reasonable people on it. rather in the middle of no where, off the beaten path an fairly technological. They would at least have been able to get passage to Coruscant, even if they had to leave the shiny thing behind. Which, they probably could have just jumped a passenger liner off Tat, too. details, amirite? Or they could have sent a coded concealed message to the order. gotten a jedi ship out there. all that. That is the level of detail being made in the stories. Their hyperdrive is shat to hell, but hey, they make it entire sectors away, an chose to go limp someplace that is arguably worse than the place they left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Swaus01@piefed.social 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Honestly my favourite thing about star wars is how they treat the canvas of the galaxy as a contained landmass, like it's some medieval fantasy story. Would like to see more fiction that does this. Also - thanks for a detailed critique of the prequels. It's kind of sad how easy it would've been for the creators to avoid this plot logic hole, AND you can't even hand wave it away with "hyperspace lanes" because the map shows that tatooine is not the most direct stop. I also compared your map with an older one (reddit link) to try and figure out if it was just a case of inconsistency from legends-prequels-disney era, and lo and behold the position of star systems is completely consistent. Now a last comment: Star/planet names are even more interesting than I thought in star wars. I'm seeing: Lots of germanic names - "Druckenwell," "Steergard," Spelhaus [North-East] Catholic (or Jedi) names: Monastery, Milagro (miracle in spanish) Terminus, Blutopia (Blue Utopia? lol) Rattatak Wroona and Roona, nearby to one another. Latin namess; Corvus (Crow), Ossus (Bones) which I'd already heard about but the pattern is only emerging now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why is Tatooine so far from Hutt Space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago mostly because the galaxy map in starwars has always been a mess, if we're being honest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Swaus01@piefed.social 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Honestly my favourite thing about star wars is how they treat the canvas of the galaxy as a contained landmass, like it's some medieval fantasy story. Would like to see more fiction that does this. Also - thanks for a detailed critique of the prequels. It's kind of sad how easy it would've been for the creators to avoid this plot logic hole, AND you can't even hand wave it away with "hyperspace lanes" because the map shows that tatooine is not the most direct stop. I also compared your map with an older one (reddit link) to try and figure out if it was just a case of inconsistency from legends-prequels-disney era, and lo and behold the position of star systems is completely consistent. Now a last comment: Star/planet names are even more interesting than I thought in star wars. I'm seeing: Lots of germanic names - "Druckenwell," "Steergard," Spelhaus [North-East] Catholic (or Jedi) names: Monastery, Milagro (miracle in spanish) Terminus, Blutopia (Blue Utopia? lol) Rattatak Wroona and Roona, nearby to one another. Latin namess; Corvus (Crow), Ossus (Bones) which I'd already heard about but the pattern is only emerging now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why is Tatooine so far from Hutt Space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago mostly because the galaxy map in starwars has always been a mess, if we're being honest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago mostly because the galaxy map in starwars has always been a mess, if we're being honest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children) Well explain then. Yeah I know the dialogue is afwul and some choices like jar jar and too much CGI can be jarring. But what is wrong with the story? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) I wrote some tweaks for it a few years ago, but I'm kinda scared to post it here. The overarching storyline was okay, but it was the execution and the smaller details. Dying of sadness was dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah post it I wanna see your tweaks. Yeah the execution was lacking but if you watched the movies you'll mostly just remember the overall story anyway. Definitely better than the jumbled mess the sequels were. One of the reasons when me and my GF watched star wars I never even bothered telling her they exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah, I just remember the memes XD I'm also one of the few people who thought Ep1 was the best of the prequels. I'm not brave enough for the Disney trilogy. I already went through watching a protag being ruined when I played Apollo Justice, don't need to do it again. Here are my tweaks. https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/11/22/prequels-review-and-fix/ Although Nellith and Luke being the twins is still my headcanon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either. Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent [–] Swaus01@piefed.social 1 point 4 months ago* Bullets & Blockbusters: "The Original Plans for The Phantom Menace" (YT video) This plan they originally had would be way more rewatchable and aligned - thematically, stylistically and narrative-wise - with what we got in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, both of which I think are more acceptable prequels to A New Hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) I wrote some tweaks for it a few years ago, but I'm kinda scared to post it here. The overarching storyline was okay, but it was the execution and the smaller details. Dying of sadness was dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah post it I wanna see your tweaks. Yeah the execution was lacking but if you watched the movies you'll mostly just remember the overall story anyway. Definitely better than the jumbled mess the sequels were. One of the reasons when me and my GF watched star wars I never even bothered telling her they exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah, I just remember the memes XD I'm also one of the few people who thought Ep1 was the best of the prequels. I'm not brave enough for the Disney trilogy. I already went through watching a protag being ruined when I played Apollo Justice, don't need to do it again. Here are my tweaks. https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/11/22/prequels-review-and-fix/ Although Nellith and Luke being the twins is still my headcanon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either. Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah post it I wanna see your tweaks. Yeah the execution was lacking but if you watched the movies you'll mostly just remember the overall story anyway. Definitely better than the jumbled mess the sequels were. One of the reasons when me and my GF watched star wars I never even bothered telling her they exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah, I just remember the memes XD I'm also one of the few people who thought Ep1 was the best of the prequels. I'm not brave enough for the Disney trilogy. I already went through watching a protag being ruined when I played Apollo Justice, don't need to do it again. Here are my tweaks. https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/11/22/prequels-review-and-fix/ Although Nellith and Luke being the twins is still my headcanon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either. Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Nah, I just remember the memes XD I'm also one of the few people who thought Ep1 was the best of the prequels. I'm not brave enough for the Disney trilogy. I already went through watching a protag being ruined when I played Apollo Justice, don't need to do it again. Here are my tweaks. https://blog.outtolunch.me.uk/2020/11/22/prequels-review-and-fix/ Although Nellith and Luke being the twins is still my headcanon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either. Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Seems like generally good ideas. The only part I personally did jot like your changes was Anakin turning to the dark side. I don't know how I would have prefered it but your version of events does not appeal to me either. Overall the movies would have been quite a bit better if they were more in line with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Cool, no worries. My version was just how I'd have preferred it to go, since we had to have Anakin become Vader. To me, this made the most sense for how to make it happen without straying too far from the canon. I'm glad you liked my other tweaks though! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Yeah they are good. Don't know why you were afraid to post them here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Swaus01@piefed.social 1 point 4 months ago* Bullets & Blockbusters: "The Original Plans for The Phantom Menace" (YT video) This plan they originally had would be way more rewatchable and aligned - thematically, stylistically and narrative-wise - with what we got in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, both of which I think are more acceptable prequels to A New Hope. permalink fedilink source parent