▲ 223 ▼ What is your preferred form of proportional representation, and why? (lemmy.ca) submitted 4 months ago* by shadysus@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 86 comments fedilink hide all child comments links: https://www.fairvote.ca/open-list-proportional-representation/ https://www.fairvote.ca/stv/ https://www.fairvote.ca/mixed-member-proportional/ Regional Proportional Representation
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 10 points 4 months ago (3 children) Ranked choice voting. Along with eliminating anyone with less than ~2% permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why eliminate below a percent. Just eliminate the lowest rank candidate and redistribute. Keep going until you have your winner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) That's first past the post. And that leads to strategic voting, and winner takes all. Which concentrates way too much power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) No, it’s not, it’s a single transferable vote. See Ireland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Is there only one winner in this system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago That's a separate question. STV with a single winner is like holding multiple elections where the biggest loser gets eliminated each round. You can vote for your favourite uncle first, because you'd really like him to win, but because you've put other people at 2, 3 and 4 you still get a say who wins even though your uncle only got 7 votes. Your Single Vote gets Transferred to your next preference when he's eliminated. STV with multiple winners is the same but you stop eliminating people when you're down to however many you need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago* No, basically every riding has, say, three representatives, and there's a threshold that each party needs to pass to get elected, here's an explanation that's better than what I could come up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Ends up very proportional while conserving local representatives, although personally I prefer MMP permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Prop rep isn't ranked-choice, though. This question essentially asked "what is your favourite colour of blue dodge caravan?" For people without a math degree, ranked-choice is the easy sale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago Ok fair, I didn't read all the details, and too lazy to go through all those links to understand them and pick my favourite. Which ever one doesn't lead to stratigic voting and concentration of power. permalink fedilink source parent [–] starlinguk@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) In Germany they eliminate anyone with less than 4% and it was disastrous for Brandenburg. It basically meant that the right wing parties had no opposition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 points 4 months ago Ranked choice should solve this. If you vote for 5 left wing parties, with the last one being one you know isn't going to get eliminated, then your vote still goes to the left permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why eliminate below a percent. Just eliminate the lowest rank candidate and redistribute. Keep going until you have your winner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) That's first past the post. And that leads to strategic voting, and winner takes all. Which concentrates way too much power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) No, it’s not, it’s a single transferable vote. See Ireland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Is there only one winner in this system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago That's a separate question. STV with a single winner is like holding multiple elections where the biggest loser gets eliminated each round. You can vote for your favourite uncle first, because you'd really like him to win, but because you've put other people at 2, 3 and 4 you still get a say who wins even though your uncle only got 7 votes. Your Single Vote gets Transferred to your next preference when he's eliminated. STV with multiple winners is the same but you stop eliminating people when you're down to however many you need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago* No, basically every riding has, say, three representatives, and there's a threshold that each party needs to pass to get elected, here's an explanation that's better than what I could come up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Ends up very proportional while conserving local representatives, although personally I prefer MMP permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) That's first past the post. And that leads to strategic voting, and winner takes all. Which concentrates way too much power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) No, it’s not, it’s a single transferable vote. See Ireland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Is there only one winner in this system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago That's a separate question. STV with a single winner is like holding multiple elections where the biggest loser gets eliminated each round. You can vote for your favourite uncle first, because you'd really like him to win, but because you've put other people at 2, 3 and 4 you still get a say who wins even though your uncle only got 7 votes. Your Single Vote gets Transferred to your next preference when he's eliminated. STV with multiple winners is the same but you stop eliminating people when you're down to however many you need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago* No, basically every riding has, say, three representatives, and there's a threshold that each party needs to pass to get elected, here's an explanation that's better than what I could come up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Ends up very proportional while conserving local representatives, although personally I prefer MMP permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) No, it’s not, it’s a single transferable vote. See Ireland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Is there only one winner in this system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago That's a separate question. STV with a single winner is like holding multiple elections where the biggest loser gets eliminated each round. You can vote for your favourite uncle first, because you'd really like him to win, but because you've put other people at 2, 3 and 4 you still get a say who wins even though your uncle only got 7 votes. Your Single Vote gets Transferred to your next preference when he's eliminated. STV with multiple winners is the same but you stop eliminating people when you're down to however many you need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago* No, basically every riding has, say, three representatives, and there's a threshold that each party needs to pass to get elected, here's an explanation that's better than what I could come up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Ends up very proportional while conserving local representatives, although personally I prefer MMP permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Is there only one winner in this system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago That's a separate question. STV with a single winner is like holding multiple elections where the biggest loser gets eliminated each round. You can vote for your favourite uncle first, because you'd really like him to win, but because you've put other people at 2, 3 and 4 you still get a say who wins even though your uncle only got 7 votes. Your Single Vote gets Transferred to your next preference when he's eliminated. STV with multiple winners is the same but you stop eliminating people when you're down to however many you need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago* No, basically every riding has, say, three representatives, and there's a threshold that each party needs to pass to get elected, here's an explanation that's better than what I could come up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Ends up very proportional while conserving local representatives, although personally I prefer MMP permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 4 months ago That's a separate question. STV with a single winner is like holding multiple elections where the biggest loser gets eliminated each round. You can vote for your favourite uncle first, because you'd really like him to win, but because you've put other people at 2, 3 and 4 you still get a say who wins even though your uncle only got 7 votes. Your Single Vote gets Transferred to your next preference when he's eliminated. STV with multiple winners is the same but you stop eliminating people when you're down to however many you need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago* No, basically every riding has, say, three representatives, and there's a threshold that each party needs to pass to get elected, here's an explanation that's better than what I could come up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Ends up very proportional while conserving local representatives, although personally I prefer MMP permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Prop rep isn't ranked-choice, though. This question essentially asked "what is your favourite colour of blue dodge caravan?" For people without a math degree, ranked-choice is the easy sale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago Ok fair, I didn't read all the details, and too lazy to go through all those links to understand them and pick my favourite. Which ever one doesn't lead to stratigic voting and concentration of power. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 0 points 4 months ago Ok fair, I didn't read all the details, and too lazy to go through all those links to understand them and pick my favourite. Which ever one doesn't lead to stratigic voting and concentration of power. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) In Germany they eliminate anyone with less than 4% and it was disastrous for Brandenburg. It basically meant that the right wing parties had no opposition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 points 4 months ago Ranked choice should solve this. If you vote for 5 left wing parties, with the last one being one you know isn't going to get eliminated, then your vote still goes to the left permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 points 4 months ago Ranked choice should solve this. If you vote for 5 left wing parties, with the last one being one you know isn't going to get eliminated, then your vote still goes to the left permalink fedilink source parent
