TrickDacy comments on Vaping likely to cause lung and oral cancer, Australian researchers find in new review of evidence

Vaping likely to cause lung and oral cancer, Australian researchers find in new review of evidence (www.theguardian.com)

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[+] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

The fact is we have no idea about that number, but we do have confirmation that vaping is not safe. You say "obviously" but I know people constantly are claiming vaping is either safe or way safer. It is not safe, and people really need to deal with that. Many people out there vape in such quantities that they may be harming themselves more than if they smoked, based on this "it's way better than cigarettes" idea. It's a false sense of security and we all pay when our friends and family die of lung cancer. We already have the most horrendous healthcare of the free world in America, and this "vaping isn't so bad" thing makes it even worse by putting a strain on the system and raising costs. We need to dispense with the idea already.

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

I understand your fear but it is not logic based reasoning. Of course it's good to be cautious. Vaping is bad.

Many people out there vape in such quantities that they may be harming themselves more than if they smoked, based on this “it’s way better than cigarettes” idea.

Many might switch from cigarettes and save their life.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

but it is not logic based reasoning.

...but "it's 100x better" is? You literally are pulling a number out of your ass.

Many might switch from cigarettes and save their life.

Yes and many more will/have have started a bad habit they will never stop based on "it's not even that bad for you". This is a fact. Nicotine use has risen by scary numbers and it's well known.

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago

…but “it’s 100x better” is? You literally are pulling a number out of your ass.

Yes, but the claim that it's far better for you than inhaling a bonfire is not crazy. Like I said I agree, vaping most likely isn't healthy.

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Nicotine use has risen by scary numbers and it’s well known.

Is that true?

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was fairly sure I'd seen the overall numbers and that they'd risen but of course now I cannot find that. However I found data that supports my main point there which is that loads of kids are vaping and we have good reason to think they'd have avoided cigarettes if vapes weren't a thing:

From 2011 to 2022, current use of electronic cigarettes:

Increased 667% among middle school students, from 0.6% to 4.6%.

Increased 567% among high school students, from 1.5% to 10.0%. This was a 64% decrease from the peak rate of 27.5% in 2019.

In 2022, more than 825,000 children started using e-cigarettes, or more than 2,200 per day.

Source: https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago

I don't disagree

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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

That's on the parents, not a product that can only legally be sold to adults.

Kids will always do shit they're not supposed to. I'd much rather they be vaping than smoking.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago

I never said we need to ban vaping. I said we need to stop pretending it's harmless. This is exactly what happened with smoking: everyone knew it was bad for them, but people who wanted to believe otherwise minimized the danger of smoking for decades. Let's not make the same mistake again.

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[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

Why do you care about strangers who have made a decision to do something to their own bodies?

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

American healthcare is in shambles with maximized suffering due to this EXACT sentiment. You may as well have asked why I care about society.

Also why would you assume I don't know anyone who will suffer directly from smoking and vaping? I certainly do. I have a relative who died from a stroke that was almost certainly linked to decades of smoking. I have others who already have had health problems from smoking and switched to vaping. Expecting them to realize that is also hurting their health after it's too late.

You really did not think before you wrote that comment, other than you thought about your right to vape without ever hearing the objective truth about it: that it's unhealthy.

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[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

That’s a lot of words. I have a right to do unhealthy things to my own body, sorry. Even if I’m downvoted!

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

I'm allowed to talk about how unhealthy your bad habit is, last I checked.

You asked a question you didn't care about, ignored my valid point, then tried to pretend I'm threatening your rights. Gotta be a Republican. 👋

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[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

As if you have no “unhealthy” habits. I’m just not an insufferable prick that judges others for their decisions. You’ll put a toll on the healthcare system at some point in your life, too.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

Yes I have unhealthy habits which I'm not telling you to shut up about. You came into the thread and pretended this was a personal attack when all it ever was is a concern for the harm certain things have in society. It's really not complicated, stop trying to change this conversation into something it never was for me

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[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

Sir, you are the one that is all flustered and apparently under attack. Go back and read the text exchange and calm down please.

Folks are free to do whatever unhealthy things they want to their body without upsetting whatever kind of person you are.

“Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Republican” is so outdated as well.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

If you weren't upset you wouldn't be repeatedly claiming I'm infringing on your rights. But I won't have to see any more of your baseless accusations moving forward. 🚫

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[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago

I’m stating a fact, and you are using charged language. I’m talking about body autonomy and you’re talking about controlling what others are doing. I’m not emotional, but using my human rights as a justification for my argument.

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