▲ 168 ▼ Putin’s spring offensive in Ukraine has begun. Experts warn Trump has given Russia a window of opportunity (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 4 months ago by panthera_@lemmy.today to c/world@lemmy.world 57 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children) Yes, but Putin is willing to sacrifice his troops just as Stalin in World War II because Russia has far greater manpower. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8fWp-i-BGA&t=26s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Sure, but there's a few differences between now and WW2. Russia doesn't have a lend-lease partner so lost material is very hard to replace, whereas Ukraine has multiple defense markets to purchase material from. Russias only advantage is their manpower. The issue is they have had degraded capacity to adequately replenish their war materials. Eventually this will hit a critical mass that will swing the war in Ukraines favor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) But Ukraine could run out of troops and Europe and the US might not continue to supply military equipment. Trump is already switching equipment from Ukraine to the Mideast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ukraine could run out of troops. But Russia could suffer another military coup. They almost did with Wagner. Russia is also running very low on S400 launchers. Ukraine could break down Russia's AAA over the battlefield, and when that does happen, they can systematically route that area of operations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Then Putin will be motivated to accept my proposal. My proposal gives Putin a way to save face. He can claim that he achieved his goal of getting the US out of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why in your world does Putin deserve to save face? Why should he keep any land he took? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stephan262@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Enemy at the gates is not a documentary, and that scene is very much not historically accurate. The actual history is significantly more complicated. I don't think the comparison to the soviets is needed at all. I think the incompetence of the Russian army stands by itself. And unless this new offensive somehow turns things around, I think that Russia's forces will continue to get fucked for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 4 months ago The scene might be fictional, but Russia did use human wave assaults in World War II. These were effective in the latter part of the war. Whether it will result in the gains Putin wants in Ukraine remains to be seen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) It is 1 to 4 population difference so not the biggest difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Putin might be willing to sacrifice his people, but Zelensky cares more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Oh I wasn't saying that Zelensky will sacrifice them. I'm saying the ratio is much smaller than what others think. Ukraine is 1/4 the population of Russia. Also, each Ukrainian is worth 100,000 Russians permalink fedilink source parent [–] Killer57@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Please enjoy this channel for accurate information on how the war is going. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Sure, but there's a few differences between now and WW2. Russia doesn't have a lend-lease partner so lost material is very hard to replace, whereas Ukraine has multiple defense markets to purchase material from. Russias only advantage is their manpower. The issue is they have had degraded capacity to adequately replenish their war materials. Eventually this will hit a critical mass that will swing the war in Ukraines favor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) But Ukraine could run out of troops and Europe and the US might not continue to supply military equipment. Trump is already switching equipment from Ukraine to the Mideast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ukraine could run out of troops. But Russia could suffer another military coup. They almost did with Wagner. Russia is also running very low on S400 launchers. Ukraine could break down Russia's AAA over the battlefield, and when that does happen, they can systematically route that area of operations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Then Putin will be motivated to accept my proposal. My proposal gives Putin a way to save face. He can claim that he achieved his goal of getting the US out of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why in your world does Putin deserve to save face? Why should he keep any land he took? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) But Ukraine could run out of troops and Europe and the US might not continue to supply military equipment. Trump is already switching equipment from Ukraine to the Mideast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ukraine could run out of troops. But Russia could suffer another military coup. They almost did with Wagner. Russia is also running very low on S400 launchers. Ukraine could break down Russia's AAA over the battlefield, and when that does happen, they can systematically route that area of operations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Then Putin will be motivated to accept my proposal. My proposal gives Putin a way to save face. He can claim that he achieved his goal of getting the US out of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why in your world does Putin deserve to save face? Why should he keep any land he took? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ukraine could run out of troops. But Russia could suffer another military coup. They almost did with Wagner. Russia is also running very low on S400 launchers. Ukraine could break down Russia's AAA over the battlefield, and when that does happen, they can systematically route that area of operations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Then Putin will be motivated to accept my proposal. My proposal gives Putin a way to save face. He can claim that he achieved his goal of getting the US out of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why in your world does Putin deserve to save face? Why should he keep any land he took? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) Then Putin will be motivated to accept my proposal. My proposal gives Putin a way to save face. He can claim that he achieved his goal of getting the US out of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why in your world does Putin deserve to save face? Why should he keep any land he took? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why in your world does Putin deserve to save face? Why should he keep any land he took? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) The war has to end in order to save lives on both sides. Peace will require Putin saving face and keeping some land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 2 points 4 months ago No the war can end when Ukraine pushes Russia out of all their stolen land including Crimea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stephan262@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Enemy at the gates is not a documentary, and that scene is very much not historically accurate. The actual history is significantly more complicated. I don't think the comparison to the soviets is needed at all. I think the incompetence of the Russian army stands by itself. And unless this new offensive somehow turns things around, I think that Russia's forces will continue to get fucked for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 4 months ago The scene might be fictional, but Russia did use human wave assaults in World War II. These were effective in the latter part of the war. Whether it will result in the gains Putin wants in Ukraine remains to be seen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 4 months ago The scene might be fictional, but Russia did use human wave assaults in World War II. These were effective in the latter part of the war. Whether it will result in the gains Putin wants in Ukraine remains to be seen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) It is 1 to 4 population difference so not the biggest difference. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Putin might be willing to sacrifice his people, but Zelensky cares more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Oh I wasn't saying that Zelensky will sacrifice them. I'm saying the ratio is much smaller than what others think. Ukraine is 1/4 the population of Russia. Also, each Ukrainian is worth 100,000 Russians permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today [S] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Putin might be willing to sacrifice his people, but Zelensky cares more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Oh I wasn't saying that Zelensky will sacrifice them. I'm saying the ratio is much smaller than what others think. Ukraine is 1/4 the population of Russia. Also, each Ukrainian is worth 100,000 Russians permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Oh I wasn't saying that Zelensky will sacrifice them. I'm saying the ratio is much smaller than what others think. Ukraine is 1/4 the population of Russia. Also, each Ukrainian is worth 100,000 Russians permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Killer57@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Please enjoy this channel for accurate information on how the war is going. permalink fedilink source parent