▲ 902 ▼ Pope Leo says God rejects prayers of leaders who wage wars (www.reuters.com) submitted 4 months ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world 120 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) No no no. That was the Old Testament which doesn't count anymore. The New Testament is the one that we care about (except we've we don't) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Enfors@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because God's absolute morality somehow changes over time while still being absolute, because something or other that makes no sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago I mean, that's not wild on it's face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships. I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers). Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day. And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again. It makes sense historically permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) New Testament Jesus comes back from the dead and murders everybody on earth who won't bow to Him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago You're describing Revelations Jesus. And by the time he finally shows up, all the killing's been done by the Fake Jesus that's tricked legions of people into damnation. This is also the only Gnostic text that made it into the canonical texts. If you get into the actual Gnostic beliefs about Jesus, you're on a rollercoast ride of spiritualist philosophy bordering on the Sci-Fi. Alternate dimensions, shared souls, astral projection, just all sorts of weird goofy shit that the Council of Nicea cut from the program. Revelations is, at its heart, a story of how Rome and its pagans will all eventually get what's coming to them. That the Christians-Who-Are-Doing-It-Wrong will get what's coming to them. That the Jews will get what's coming to them. It is a story wildly out of line with the prior books, but one that resonated strongly with the post-Constantine neo-Christian order. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Enfors@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Because God's absolute morality somehow changes over time while still being absolute, because something or other that makes no sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago I mean, that's not wild on it's face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships. I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers). Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day. And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again. It makes sense historically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago I mean, that's not wild on it's face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships. I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers). Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day. And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again. It makes sense historically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) New Testament Jesus comes back from the dead and murders everybody on earth who won't bow to Him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago You're describing Revelations Jesus. And by the time he finally shows up, all the killing's been done by the Fake Jesus that's tricked legions of people into damnation. This is also the only Gnostic text that made it into the canonical texts. If you get into the actual Gnostic beliefs about Jesus, you're on a rollercoast ride of spiritualist philosophy bordering on the Sci-Fi. Alternate dimensions, shared souls, astral projection, just all sorts of weird goofy shit that the Council of Nicea cut from the program. Revelations is, at its heart, a story of how Rome and its pagans will all eventually get what's coming to them. That the Christians-Who-Are-Doing-It-Wrong will get what's coming to them. That the Jews will get what's coming to them. It is a story wildly out of line with the prior books, but one that resonated strongly with the post-Constantine neo-Christian order. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago You're describing Revelations Jesus. And by the time he finally shows up, all the killing's been done by the Fake Jesus that's tricked legions of people into damnation. This is also the only Gnostic text that made it into the canonical texts. If you get into the actual Gnostic beliefs about Jesus, you're on a rollercoast ride of spiritualist philosophy bordering on the Sci-Fi. Alternate dimensions, shared souls, astral projection, just all sorts of weird goofy shit that the Council of Nicea cut from the program. Revelations is, at its heart, a story of how Rome and its pagans will all eventually get what's coming to them. That the Christians-Who-Are-Doing-It-Wrong will get what's coming to them. That the Jews will get what's coming to them. It is a story wildly out of line with the prior books, but one that resonated strongly with the post-Constantine neo-Christian order. permalink fedilink source parent