▲ 671 ▼ The Year of Defenestration (lemmy.world) submitted 4 months ago by Canuck@sh.itjust.works to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 21 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/44833191 Oddly specific.
[+] SeventySeven@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Ackshually it's from Neo-Latin ‘fenestra’ meaning ‘window’, specifically coined in 1620, presumably as ‘defenestratio’: A word invented for one incident: the "Defenestration of Prague" (May 21, 1618), in which two Catholic deputies to the Bohemian national assembly and a secretary were tossed out the window of the castle of Hradschin by Protestant radicals. The trio landed in a trash heap and survived, but it marked the start of the Thirty Years' War. ‘Fenster’ was borrowed from Latin as ‘*fenestr’ way back in the times of Proto-West Germanic. Which, to my understanding, is a somewhat unusual behavior for Germanic languages. P.S. As noted below, in German it's 'Fenstersturz', meaning simply 'windowfall'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Interesting, the OED adds this: Compare post-classical Latin defenestratio (1620 or earlier, although the author claims to be coining the word). Compare also Middle French, French défenestrer to throw out of a window (1564), and German Fenstersturz (1626 or earlier in this sense; lit. ‘act of throwing from a window’; also more fully Prager Fenstersturz), the usual German name for the 1618 event. “Defenestration, N., Etymology.” Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford UP, March 2025, https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/9213494086. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Wiktionary actually lists both words as sorta-cognates (under ‘etymology’). However, Wiktionary has a habit of not listing any dates. But, Trésor de la langue française informatisé says that the 1564 source uses the word in the meaning of removing windows of a house — while also noting that the French-root ‘défenêtrer’ should be used for this meaning instead of the Latin ‘défenestrer’. In the typical blunt German manner, ‘Fenstersturz’ is simply composed of ‘window’+‘fall’. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago I thought it also meant throwing it out the window from a specific floor. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Ackshually it's from Neo-Latin ‘fenestra’ meaning ‘window’, specifically coined in 1620, presumably as ‘defenestratio’: A word invented for one incident: the "Defenestration of Prague" (May 21, 1618), in which two Catholic deputies to the Bohemian national assembly and a secretary were tossed out the window of the castle of Hradschin by Protestant radicals. The trio landed in a trash heap and survived, but it marked the start of the Thirty Years' War. ‘Fenster’ was borrowed from Latin as ‘*fenestr’ way back in the times of Proto-West Germanic. Which, to my understanding, is a somewhat unusual behavior for Germanic languages. P.S. As noted below, in German it's 'Fenstersturz', meaning simply 'windowfall'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Interesting, the OED adds this: Compare post-classical Latin defenestratio (1620 or earlier, although the author claims to be coining the word). Compare also Middle French, French défenestrer to throw out of a window (1564), and German Fenstersturz (1626 or earlier in this sense; lit. ‘act of throwing from a window’; also more fully Prager Fenstersturz), the usual German name for the 1618 event. “Defenestration, N., Etymology.” Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford UP, March 2025, https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/9213494086. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Wiktionary actually lists both words as sorta-cognates (under ‘etymology’). However, Wiktionary has a habit of not listing any dates. But, Trésor de la langue française informatisé says that the 1564 source uses the word in the meaning of removing windows of a house — while also noting that the French-root ‘défenêtrer’ should be used for this meaning instead of the Latin ‘défenestrer’. In the typical blunt German manner, ‘Fenstersturz’ is simply composed of ‘window’+‘fall’. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Interesting, the OED adds this: Compare post-classical Latin defenestratio (1620 or earlier, although the author claims to be coining the word). Compare also Middle French, French défenestrer to throw out of a window (1564), and German Fenstersturz (1626 or earlier in this sense; lit. ‘act of throwing from a window’; also more fully Prager Fenstersturz), the usual German name for the 1618 event. “Defenestration, N., Etymology.” Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford UP, March 2025, https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/9213494086. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Wiktionary actually lists both words as sorta-cognates (under ‘etymology’). However, Wiktionary has a habit of not listing any dates. But, Trésor de la langue française informatisé says that the 1564 source uses the word in the meaning of removing windows of a house — while also noting that the French-root ‘défenêtrer’ should be used for this meaning instead of the Latin ‘défenestrer’. In the typical blunt German manner, ‘Fenstersturz’ is simply composed of ‘window’+‘fall’. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Wiktionary actually lists both words as sorta-cognates (under ‘etymology’). However, Wiktionary has a habit of not listing any dates. But, Trésor de la langue française informatisé says that the 1564 source uses the word in the meaning of removing windows of a house — while also noting that the French-root ‘défenêtrer’ should be used for this meaning instead of the Latin ‘défenestrer’. In the typical blunt German manner, ‘Fenstersturz’ is simply composed of ‘window’+‘fall’. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago I thought it also meant throwing it out the window from a specific floor. permalink fedilink source parent
