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They'll come demanding our votes any day now (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago by [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world
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[–] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

America is a house on fire... the Republican party is throwing gas and fireworks at it, the Democrats have no idea how to fight a fire and are not sure if it's their job to put out the fire.

You still should vote Democrat but immediately after continue to fight for complete reform

Having said that and witnessing American's reaction to their house being set on fire was basically nothing, I am not holding my breath they won't re-elect republicans and give them a bigger gas canister to finish the job

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  • [+] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Sure... but after decades of apathy, those are the only choices Americans have left. So they either die with the republicans or buy a bit of time with the democrats while they get out of this emergency

    As I said, they are likely to do nothing so America is basically over

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    buy a bit of time with the democrats

    James Baldwin, 1984

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    What have Americans done during this time?

    To me, this is the problem... it's not "time"... it's that Americans seem to expect someone else will take the risk, pay the cost and do the hard work for them

    Currently every excuse Americans seem to put up revolves around the idea they will not act unless someone else provides them with a solution that is:

    • risk free

    • cost nothing

    • immediately effective

    • permanent

    • solved ALL problems and corollaries

    • will give them 100% of the credit

    Anything not marking ALL those boxes, they are not willing to do and would rather continue their (not-so) slow decline forever

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago

    Liberals do what liberals have always done. They want leftists to do the actual hard work, the grunt work to getting politicians off the ground and then they can ride our coattails as if they have supported us the entire time.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Sure… but after decades of apathy, those are the only choices Americans have left.

    Lol what? Maybe in electoral politics, but that's just a testament to the fact that we have no chance of being saved through that route.

    America is basically over

    Best outcome for the human species tbf.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    100 vote for the best candidate, but don't let that distract you into thinking that's enough. It's barely enough to turn things around. It's less than the bare minimum to fix your country.

    You need to threaten the money to get any improvements through

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Democrats are the ones providing the gas

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Never mind that they voted to continue funding ICE every single year they were in power,

    never mind that they did nothing to codify abortion / LGBT protections when they had a supermajority under Obama,

    never mind that their so-called "progressives" like AOC vote to arm an apartheid ethnostate recognized by a multitude of international human rights organizations as committing genocide,

    I'm going to downvote you because what you're saying makes me sad

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Reform is a path to failure.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    so what's the solution?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They have no solutions, only criticism.

    The solution is to get the fuck off the Internet and het involved. Go to caucuses, vote in primaries for progressive candidates like I did. I didn't get selected as a state delegate but at least I was there caucusing for the most progressive candidates available.

    This defeatist talk is cowardly.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The solution is breaking Free of the oligarchy and supporting the candidates that represent the working class in government break free of the lesser evil bullshit that does not exist. Break Free of the false dichotomies that the only option is Democrats despite the fact decades show that they are not helping

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    so some magical non-existent party is your solution?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago

    If Democrats didn't keep suing to get 3rd party candidates off the ballot, didn't restrict ballot access as tightly as they do, we would have existent 3rd party solutions. The very people you support are the ones that are prohibiting choice.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There are literally 2 parties on the ballots.

    Your solution is to vote for a third party that does not exist?... if so, your solution is less than useless

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago

    From the outside perspective, there is one party on the ballot. They take money from the same super Pacs, from the same Ceos, from the same lobbyists, from the same bankers, for the same end game

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    maybe on your ballot there are only two. but not me.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not USian... do you actually get the possibility of choosing something NOT republican or democrat?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    depending on the jurisdiction, and the race, and a concept called "ballot access", yes.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ok, so for the vast majority of people, not an option... this has been a productive discussion

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    as i said, it depends. most people had 3 to 6 options for president.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    What a meaningless word salad. Give concrete steps. Go.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    "Show me how to do revolution"

    Or you could educate yourself? Not that it's a serious question from you anyway, obviously.

    I'll give you a first step: grow food and feed your neighbors. Figure it out from there on your own.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ah gotcha. I gotta figure it out for you. We'll get back to me when you have strategy, coalitions, anything. Right now it seems we have a collection of edge lord teenagers on Lemmy wearing che Guevara shirts.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    You have to figure it out for you, we're doing alright out where I am lol

    At least I get to be a teenager at 30, that's some consolation I suppose?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I mean...you keep confirming what I assumed to be true. There is no plan. No plan to build political power. No plan to build coalitions. Nothing. Just posting feel good diatribes on Lemmy from your iPhone. You want me to grow a vegetable garden? That's it? Cool.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Political power starts from the bottom.

    I'm on like a 10 year old laptop lol

    Yes, I want you to grow a vegetable garden. I also want you to try LSD and magic mushrooms.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sure. I love these empty platitudes. They feel good on paper, don't they? I too am growing a vegetable garden. Let's jerk each other off while we read some leninist theory. Cool cool. I know that's about as much lefties can get done anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Did you drop acid yet? Usually people who do are either less annoying or at least annoying in a different way, so I'm guessing not.

    Also I've never read Lenin or Marx or any theory really (yet), I just worked warehouse and temp and other shit jobs so I got first-hand experience. You're really really bad at this whole "trying to read my character and make pointed comments" thing you're doing. Like one of the worst I've ever seen. You landed zero out of three so far.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    No, I just get tired of sanctimonious lefties telling us to "grow vegetable gardens" because "power is built from the ground up" or whatever other empty vacuous platitudes they fellate each other with day in and out. It's so fake

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    You were so bad at taking stabs in the dark that you just had to quote me verbatim in an attempt to be insulting lol

    Take that acid, it's a prescription at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Same old same old... More self aggrandizing lecturing. Lefties are only good for one thing: fellating each other 24/7. Get back to me when the revolution starts.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Now you're just repeating yourself. Dull!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've talked to probably hundreds of lefties online. None. I mean none. Can seem to give an adequate roadmap of what ought to be done. Where do you see the ideal US in 15 years and how do we get there? I see lots of grandstanding and pontificating, but nothing that resembles a roadmap. But, boy, you guys sure have lots of opinions about everything it seems. At least you proferred "vegetable gardens", so I'll give you that. It's a lot more than others have shared. And that really says something, doesn't it?

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