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using github should've been a warning sign (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

✅ Organizing things the way they like

❌ Forcing anyone to use Discord for any purpose

If I want to I can make my app available only on USB sticks carried to people by swallows (African of course) and accept issues only through Amber alerts

Sure, but you'd be a colossal asshole and make using your app a miserable if not impossible endeavor 🤷🏻

And you can just not use it if you don't like it.

Ah yes, the George W Bush approach to feedback: "if you're not [unquestioningly] with us, you're against us" 🙄

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    ❌ Forcing anyone to use Discord for any purpose

    So don't use my app? Please, explain to me how I'm forcing you do to anything by writing an app. I seriously didn't realize coding gives me so much power over people. Can I force you to do other things like pay me for my app? Can I force you to contribute to it? I actually could use some help with my project. If I create a discord server for it will you be forced to join and help me?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You know what I mean, don't pretend to be even more obtuse than you already are.

    While not LITERALLY forcing anyone to do anything, it's not ethically defensible to enforce a choice between not using a potentially useful app (which might theoretically be the only one of its kind and thus crucial) or using a privacy nightmare app in a time of increased surveillance being carried out by authoritarian governments that increasingly victimize dissenters up to and including killing or deporting them for not being in favor of kakistocratic fascism.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    ethically defensible to enforce a choice between not using a potentially useful app

    Seriously? Your claiming that as an app developer I have an ethical responsibility to make it available to anyone who can find it useful? That's some heavy "with great power comes great responsibility" stuff.

    I wonder how you square it with commercial app development. I guess charging money for an app is always unethical because some people may not be able to afford it.

    I distribute my app only though f-droid so people with stock android will soon have issues installing it. I guess it's also unethical and I have to give my personal data to Google so I can put it in play store. But isn't it unethical for users to request that I share my data with Google? That's some serious ethical paradox here.

    Does this apply only to software development or anything I do? I made a cake the other day. Would it be unethical for me not to give it someone who would like to eat it? Can I ask them to come to my home to get it or it's an unethical barrier and I should take it to them?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Seriously? Your claiming that as an app developer I have an ethical responsibility to make it available to anyone who can find it useful? That's some heavy "with great power comes great responsibility" stuff.

    No. I'm saying that it's unethical to make the proper use of your app contingent on the use of unethical platforms such as Discord who share your data with people who might victimize you as a result.

    Might as well direct all inquiries to Facebook or the personal email of Peter Thiel.

    I guess charging money for an app is always unethical because some people may not be able to afford it.

    Another strawman argument 🙄

    I distribute my app only though f-droid

    Good

    so people with stock android will soon have issues installing it.

    Bad, but not your fault

    I guess it's also unethical

    No.

    I have to give my personal data to Google so I can put it in play store

    Another strawman. Do you REALLY think I'd consider it unethical to force people to surrender their data to Discord and at the same time demand that other people surrender theirs to Google?

    Unlike you, I'm not a hypocrite who cares about my own data security but not yours.

    But isn't it unethical for users to request that I share my data with Google?

    Yes.

    That's some serious ethical paradox here.

    Nope. You're making shit up to make it sound like my position is illogical when in reality it isn't. That's what a strawman argument is.

    Does this apply only to software development or anything I do

    What do YOU think?

    Can I ask them to come to my home to get it or it's an unethical barrier and I should take it to them?

    Do you live at the Discord offices? Is your home full of surveillance equipment that transmits directly to a third party? If not, that's yet another logical fallacy, namely a particularly ridiculous case of false equivalence.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Great, thanks for explaining. So if I understand this correctly you're saying I can lock my app and not share it at all and I can charge money for it but it's unethical for me to use platforms that share user data with bad people. That's very curious philosophy. I don't have to share the fruits of my work with anyone but when I do I have to do it in a way that adheres to other people ethics. That would be like putting my cake in a place that's under face recognition camera and saying it's free. People would see delicious cake but wouldn't be able to get it without showing their face to Palantir. They can just not get the cake if they are worried about privacy but they really want it so it's on me to look for a different place for my cake. If I don't move it I'm unethical.

    Does this philosophy have a name? It would be interesting to read about ethics of sharing like this. The way I see it it's my cake and I can eat it myself or share under any rules I see fit. I don't have any ethical obligation to make it available to people in one way or another. Where does my obligation to share it in a privacy respecting manner come from? If it's ethical to not share something how sharing it in a wrong way become unethical?

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