We have that voter apathy because our voting system is awful, and doesn't allow most votes to even matter. People should still vote, but that alone isn't enough to fix anything. As things are now it's damage control at best.

Problem is in a lot of places those with the D next to their name aren't progressive with the only ones that actually are being third party. So not only do you have to convince a non-voter to vote, but you have to convince them to support someone that's not part of the 2 major parties.

from what I hear, depending on the state, it's not easy to vote in the US.

• In some places you have to reregister beforehand and you don't get a reminder
• sometimes the next place to vote is far away
• you have to bring a lot of papers
• the election is during workhours on like a tuesday
• there is a huge line and it's sometimes really hot out
• even then sometimes they delete you from the list without notifying you

especially in southern states, primarily black neighborhoods districts have extra shitty conditions to prevent black people from voting

Maybe but not enough. Given gerrymandering and swing states. Do I wish my states politicians were progressive? Of course and I’ll keep voting for them. But when it comes to national politics, my states politicians are blue and that won’t change either way, and it will not be paid attention to because we’re not a swing state

As long as my state is balanced by another I can’t affect, nothing is changing. No matter how progressive we may be, there’s always a West Virginia voting against healthcare, education, technology, jobs, the environment, livable wages, more protective safety nets, etc

You are confusing cause and effect. We have voter apathy because we are where we are. The vote-harder contingent has never once shown that it works. Every single president has presided over mass murder of innocent civilians. Every single party has approved or failed to stop mass murder. There has not been a single victory over racialized mass incarceration in 70 years. The US imprisons more of its people than almost any other country, and has a parole system twice as big as its prison system, meaning it manages the lives 3x more people with its police force than any other country on earth. It's unfathomably larger than anything the world has ever seen. It absolutely dwarfs the height of the GULAG system.

The system creates the apathy. The apathy doesn't create the system.

And I saw your other comment that not-voting won't make things better and that's true, but voting also won't make things better. So it's time to start thinking about what will make things better and time to stop funneling energy into a known ineffective solution.

Exactly. Vote Green.