▲ 899 ▼ "Being vegan is unnatural" (discuss.tchncs.de) submitted 5 months ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 844 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533
[+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Just_Lyin@lemmy.org 10 points 5 months ago (2 children) I had a vegan roommate for years. I didn't cook much meat when he was in the house. But I was never personally vegan. I also did agree that it's more ethical to not kill for your food, let alone all the other horrors of factory farming. And I'm able to accept that I don't live up to that more ethical standard. I think maybe people just don't like to think someone (especially annoying people) might be doing something better than they are? Like you said, special insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The only time I ever find myself getting preachy is when people who eat meat talk about halal meat as unethical. I have no idea why it bothers me so deeply when it's technically fighting for better treatment of animals, but there's something especially frustrating about the options are: Kill them quickly. Kill them slowly. Don't kill them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Just_Lyin@lemmy.org 4 points 5 months ago Probably because there's an inherent amount of hypocrisy in that argument? Unless they source all their meat very ethically they're likely supporting factory farms. Which is a lifetime of mistreatment and suffering for an animal. And then they quibble about the amount of suffering at death. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago Yup permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) I don't know. I find the people insisting that farmers are the same as pedophiles to be pretty infuriating personally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago You know what fuck you too for apologizing for these fucks permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most vegans might not be (doubt), but every vegan arguing in this thread is or they wouldn't be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most content about veganism on Lemmy or Reddit is about bashing veganism. It's honestly really disappointing. This is where conservatives and progressives find each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 months ago (2 children) I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. I agree it's a choice, but I don't think it's a personal one given that there is another sentient being victimized in the action. A bit on the motivation behind vegan activism: Say you're against needlessly exploiting animals. And you purchase/produce animal products when there are other options available. You would be needlessly exploiting animals while affirming a contradiction, that would be hypocrisy. Nobody can force you to act on that, but they can point what you're accountable for. Vegans believe that most people are against needlessly exploiting animals, so they try to show this to people. Confusion may get in the way, but wanting to put on the spotlight what kind of exploitation people are supporting is what guides them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Very good explanation on why it's not a personal choice. This is how I explain it to people: The animals we eat aren't able to stand up for themselves, so some people try to do that for them. Kust like how activists do this for dogs or orangutans. It's not against personal choice, but about trying to protect those who are hurt by the choices of others. Besides, we all share the same planet and animal agriculture has a big impact on it. So it's not like our choices don't affect others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Just_Lyin@lemmy.org 10 points 5 months ago (2 children) I had a vegan roommate for years. I didn't cook much meat when he was in the house. But I was never personally vegan. I also did agree that it's more ethical to not kill for your food, let alone all the other horrors of factory farming. And I'm able to accept that I don't live up to that more ethical standard. I think maybe people just don't like to think someone (especially annoying people) might be doing something better than they are? Like you said, special insecurities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The only time I ever find myself getting preachy is when people who eat meat talk about halal meat as unethical. I have no idea why it bothers me so deeply when it's technically fighting for better treatment of animals, but there's something especially frustrating about the options are: Kill them quickly. Kill them slowly. Don't kill them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Just_Lyin@lemmy.org 4 points 5 months ago Probably because there's an inherent amount of hypocrisy in that argument? Unless they source all their meat very ethically they're likely supporting factory farms. Which is a lifetime of mistreatment and suffering for an animal. And then they quibble about the amount of suffering at death. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago Yup permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The only time I ever find myself getting preachy is when people who eat meat talk about halal meat as unethical. I have no idea why it bothers me so deeply when it's technically fighting for better treatment of animals, but there's something especially frustrating about the options are: Kill them quickly. Kill them slowly. Don't kill them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Just_Lyin@lemmy.org 4 points 5 months ago Probably because there's an inherent amount of hypocrisy in that argument? Unless they source all their meat very ethically they're likely supporting factory farms. Which is a lifetime of mistreatment and suffering for an animal. And then they quibble about the amount of suffering at death. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Just_Lyin@lemmy.org 4 points 5 months ago Probably because there's an inherent amount of hypocrisy in that argument? Unless they source all their meat very ethically they're likely supporting factory farms. Which is a lifetime of mistreatment and suffering for an animal. And then they quibble about the amount of suffering at death. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) I don't know. I find the people insisting that farmers are the same as pedophiles to be pretty infuriating personally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago You know what fuck you too for apologizing for these fucks permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most vegans might not be (doubt), but every vegan arguing in this thread is or they wouldn't be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most content about veganism on Lemmy or Reddit is about bashing veganism. It's honestly really disappointing. This is where conservatives and progressives find each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago You know what fuck you too for apologizing for these fucks permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most vegans might not be (doubt), but every vegan arguing in this thread is or they wouldn't be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most content about veganism on Lemmy or Reddit is about bashing veganism. It's honestly really disappointing. This is where conservatives and progressives find each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago You know what fuck you too for apologizing for these fucks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today -1 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most vegans might not be (doubt), but every vegan arguing in this thread is or they wouldn't be here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most content about veganism on Lemmy or Reddit is about bashing veganism. It's honestly really disappointing. This is where conservatives and progressives find each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Most content about veganism on Lemmy or Reddit is about bashing veganism. It's honestly really disappointing. This is where conservatives and progressives find each other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Comparing the rape of a human to the insemination of a cow deserves to be bashed. Psychopathic behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I agree but also fuck humans. I'm sick of humans general entitlement across the board. We aren't better than anything else permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* Maybe not but we're the ones calling the shots for the time being. The time being is a way bigger dick than we are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) There are differences, but also similarities right? Artificial insemination doesn't mean voluntary. Swap the species and you'd call the same acts rape. The vegan making the comparison is likely against rape, as well as artificial insemination of cows. What makes comparing it deserving of bashing and psychopathic? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago Its fucking insulting to rape victims. God damn I cant handle you people anymore. Please cease to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 months ago (2 children) I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. I agree it's a choice, but I don't think it's a personal one given that there is another sentient being victimized in the action. A bit on the motivation behind vegan activism: Say you're against needlessly exploiting animals. And you purchase/produce animal products when there are other options available. You would be needlessly exploiting animals while affirming a contradiction, that would be hypocrisy. Nobody can force you to act on that, but they can point what you're accountable for. Vegans believe that most people are against needlessly exploiting animals, so they try to show this to people. Confusion may get in the way, but wanting to put on the spotlight what kind of exploitation people are supporting is what guides them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Very good explanation on why it's not a personal choice. This is how I explain it to people: The animals we eat aren't able to stand up for themselves, so some people try to do that for them. Kust like how activists do this for dogs or orangutans. It's not against personal choice, but about trying to protect those who are hurt by the choices of others. Besides, we all share the same planet and animal agriculture has a big impact on it. So it's not like our choices don't affect others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Very good explanation on why it's not a personal choice. This is how I explain it to people: The animals we eat aren't able to stand up for themselves, so some people try to do that for them. Kust like how activists do this for dogs or orangutans. It's not against personal choice, but about trying to protect those who are hurt by the choices of others. Besides, we all share the same planet and animal agriculture has a big impact on it. So it's not like our choices don't affect others. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent