▲ 716 ▼ Jeffrey Epstein Was Vladimir Putin's Wealth Manager, FBI Source Claimed in Newly Released Epstein Files (people.com) submitted 5 months ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to c/world@lemmy.world 135 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] frischkaesbagett@feddit.org 28 points 5 months ago (3 children) Please don't use straw man arguments. Nowhere in the article it says Epstein was the only one. So you are opposing something that is never said. The source claimed that Epstein served as a wealth manager for Russian President Vladimir Putin, as well as former Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nowhere in the article it says Epstein was the only one. You expect me to read articles?!?!? Preposterous! I'm just going off of the title, where it says: Jeffrey Epstein Was Vladimir Putin's Wealth Manager Not 'one of Putin's wealth managers'. So ... yeah. I blame the poorly worded title. No ragrets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I’m my father’s daughter. I have two sisters who are also my father’s daughters. I am also one of my father’s daughters, but that doesn’t make my first sentence incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deleted@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* During the Cold War, there was a race between the United States and the Soviet Union, where: There are only two runners The American finishes 1st The Soviet finishes 2nd (last) The newspapers report it differently: U.S. newspaper: “American wins race; Soviet finishes last.” Soviet newspaper: “Soviet athlete finishes second; American is next to last.” It’s a classic illustration of media framing and propaganda showing how wording can shape perception without technically lying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nyctre@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (2 children) Sure. You're right. But there's ways to look at it that makes it misleading anyway. For example if you read the title "Putin's daughter was killed" what will you take from that? That he has multiple daughters or just one? Plus, your example works because we live in a world where many people have multiple kids. But if you lived in a world where everyone you knew only had one kid, what would you infer from that? Because as far as I know, most people have zero wealth managers and some have one. It's the first time I'm hearing of someone having multiple. I'm not gonna pretend that your explanation doesn't make sense. And the title is technically correct. But only technically. The fact that op has 34 upvotes shows that many people understood the same thing from the title and that makes it misleading, imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I wouldn’t assume anything about the number of his children from that, tbh. And that’s fair, multiple children are relatively common. The time that something similar actually comes up for me is with doctors. I tend to assume that people are talking about their single gp when they say “my dr.,” and this is often wrong with people who have a lot of health issues (it’s not a problematic assumption, because I don’t do anything with it, I’m just picturing a GP for whatever their story is). I suspect the disconnect is between traditional headline values (first shortness, then understandability) and the ones that would actually make sense in the modern age (font size is adjustable at the point of receipt, and nobody reads articles, so clarity should win over length). permalink fedilink source parent [–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago I would take it that Putin has many wealth managers. Mainly because if he only had one then he's a fucking idiot. And Putin is many horrible things, but he's no idiot. I mean if you had enough cash that you needed wealth management would you trust one person to oversee all of it? I know I wouldn't, money can make even the most trustworthy of people question things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hector@lemmy.today 17 points 5 months ago (3 children) This whole article is a plant to try and associate epstein with russia away from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Thank you. Exactly. If they can't distract they redirect and/or flood the zone. Whatever works to keep the real systems hidden even as it's all coming out anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago He can be associated with both... permalink fedilink source parent [–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Those aren't mutually exclusive. Russia and Israel aren't adversaries and I don't know why Communists online act as if they are (could it be? They define all geopolitical relations based on "for or against the USA?") Relations deteriorated in 2022, but they improved when Netanyahu got back in office. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago No one in Wall Street conducted a single transaction with Epstein. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nowhere in the article it says Epstein was the only one. You expect me to read articles?!?!? Preposterous! I'm just going off of the title, where it says: Jeffrey Epstein Was Vladimir Putin's Wealth Manager Not 'one of Putin's wealth managers'. So ... yeah. I blame the poorly worded title. No ragrets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I’m my father’s daughter. I have two sisters who are also my father’s daughters. I am also one of my father’s daughters, but that doesn’t make my first sentence incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deleted@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* During the Cold War, there was a race between the United States and the Soviet Union, where: There are only two runners The American finishes 1st The Soviet finishes 2nd (last) The newspapers report it differently: U.S. newspaper: “American wins race; Soviet finishes last.” Soviet newspaper: “Soviet athlete finishes second; American is next to last.” It’s a classic illustration of media framing and propaganda showing how wording can shape perception without technically lying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nyctre@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (2 children) Sure. You're right. But there's ways to look at it that makes it misleading anyway. For example if you read the title "Putin's daughter was killed" what will you take from that? That he has multiple daughters or just one? Plus, your example works because we live in a world where many people have multiple kids. But if you lived in a world where everyone you knew only had one kid, what would you infer from that? Because as far as I know, most people have zero wealth managers and some have one. It's the first time I'm hearing of someone having multiple. I'm not gonna pretend that your explanation doesn't make sense. And the title is technically correct. But only technically. The fact that op has 34 upvotes shows that many people understood the same thing from the title and that makes it misleading, imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I wouldn’t assume anything about the number of his children from that, tbh. And that’s fair, multiple children are relatively common. The time that something similar actually comes up for me is with doctors. I tend to assume that people are talking about their single gp when they say “my dr.,” and this is often wrong with people who have a lot of health issues (it’s not a problematic assumption, because I don’t do anything with it, I’m just picturing a GP for whatever their story is). I suspect the disconnect is between traditional headline values (first shortness, then understandability) and the ones that would actually make sense in the modern age (font size is adjustable at the point of receipt, and nobody reads articles, so clarity should win over length). permalink fedilink source parent [–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago I would take it that Putin has many wealth managers. Mainly because if he only had one then he's a fucking idiot. And Putin is many horrible things, but he's no idiot. I mean if you had enough cash that you needed wealth management would you trust one person to oversee all of it? I know I wouldn't, money can make even the most trustworthy of people question things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I’m my father’s daughter. I have two sisters who are also my father’s daughters. I am also one of my father’s daughters, but that doesn’t make my first sentence incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deleted@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* During the Cold War, there was a race between the United States and the Soviet Union, where: There are only two runners The American finishes 1st The Soviet finishes 2nd (last) The newspapers report it differently: U.S. newspaper: “American wins race; Soviet finishes last.” Soviet newspaper: “Soviet athlete finishes second; American is next to last.” It’s a classic illustration of media framing and propaganda showing how wording can shape perception without technically lying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nyctre@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (2 children) Sure. You're right. But there's ways to look at it that makes it misleading anyway. For example if you read the title "Putin's daughter was killed" what will you take from that? That he has multiple daughters or just one? Plus, your example works because we live in a world where many people have multiple kids. But if you lived in a world where everyone you knew only had one kid, what would you infer from that? Because as far as I know, most people have zero wealth managers and some have one. It's the first time I'm hearing of someone having multiple. I'm not gonna pretend that your explanation doesn't make sense. And the title is technically correct. But only technically. The fact that op has 34 upvotes shows that many people understood the same thing from the title and that makes it misleading, imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I wouldn’t assume anything about the number of his children from that, tbh. And that’s fair, multiple children are relatively common. The time that something similar actually comes up for me is with doctors. I tend to assume that people are talking about their single gp when they say “my dr.,” and this is often wrong with people who have a lot of health issues (it’s not a problematic assumption, because I don’t do anything with it, I’m just picturing a GP for whatever their story is). I suspect the disconnect is between traditional headline values (first shortness, then understandability) and the ones that would actually make sense in the modern age (font size is adjustable at the point of receipt, and nobody reads articles, so clarity should win over length). permalink fedilink source parent [–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago I would take it that Putin has many wealth managers. Mainly because if he only had one then he's a fucking idiot. And Putin is many horrible things, but he's no idiot. I mean if you had enough cash that you needed wealth management would you trust one person to oversee all of it? I know I wouldn't, money can make even the most trustworthy of people question things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deleted@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* During the Cold War, there was a race between the United States and the Soviet Union, where: There are only two runners The American finishes 1st The Soviet finishes 2nd (last) The newspapers report it differently: U.S. newspaper: “American wins race; Soviet finishes last.” Soviet newspaper: “Soviet athlete finishes second; American is next to last.” It’s a classic illustration of media framing and propaganda showing how wording can shape perception without technically lying. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nyctre@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago (2 children) Sure. You're right. But there's ways to look at it that makes it misleading anyway. For example if you read the title "Putin's daughter was killed" what will you take from that? That he has multiple daughters or just one? Plus, your example works because we live in a world where many people have multiple kids. But if you lived in a world where everyone you knew only had one kid, what would you infer from that? Because as far as I know, most people have zero wealth managers and some have one. It's the first time I'm hearing of someone having multiple. I'm not gonna pretend that your explanation doesn't make sense. And the title is technically correct. But only technically. The fact that op has 34 upvotes shows that many people understood the same thing from the title and that makes it misleading, imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I wouldn’t assume anything about the number of his children from that, tbh. And that’s fair, multiple children are relatively common. The time that something similar actually comes up for me is with doctors. I tend to assume that people are talking about their single gp when they say “my dr.,” and this is often wrong with people who have a lot of health issues (it’s not a problematic assumption, because I don’t do anything with it, I’m just picturing a GP for whatever their story is). I suspect the disconnect is between traditional headline values (first shortness, then understandability) and the ones that would actually make sense in the modern age (font size is adjustable at the point of receipt, and nobody reads articles, so clarity should win over length). permalink fedilink source parent [–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago I would take it that Putin has many wealth managers. Mainly because if he only had one then he's a fucking idiot. And Putin is many horrible things, but he's no idiot. I mean if you had enough cash that you needed wealth management would you trust one person to oversee all of it? I know I wouldn't, money can make even the most trustworthy of people question things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I wouldn’t assume anything about the number of his children from that, tbh. And that’s fair, multiple children are relatively common. The time that something similar actually comes up for me is with doctors. I tend to assume that people are talking about their single gp when they say “my dr.,” and this is often wrong with people who have a lot of health issues (it’s not a problematic assumption, because I don’t do anything with it, I’m just picturing a GP for whatever their story is). I suspect the disconnect is between traditional headline values (first shortness, then understandability) and the ones that would actually make sense in the modern age (font size is adjustable at the point of receipt, and nobody reads articles, so clarity should win over length). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago I would take it that Putin has many wealth managers. Mainly because if he only had one then he's a fucking idiot. And Putin is many horrible things, but he's no idiot. I mean if you had enough cash that you needed wealth management would you trust one person to oversee all of it? I know I wouldn't, money can make even the most trustworthy of people question things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hector@lemmy.today 17 points 5 months ago (3 children) This whole article is a plant to try and associate epstein with russia away from Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Thank you. Exactly. If they can't distract they redirect and/or flood the zone. Whatever works to keep the real systems hidden even as it's all coming out anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago He can be associated with both... permalink fedilink source parent [–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Those aren't mutually exclusive. Russia and Israel aren't adversaries and I don't know why Communists online act as if they are (could it be? They define all geopolitical relations based on "for or against the USA?") Relations deteriorated in 2022, but they improved when Netanyahu got back in office. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Thank you. Exactly. If they can't distract they redirect and/or flood the zone. Whatever works to keep the real systems hidden even as it's all coming out anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago He can be associated with both... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Those aren't mutually exclusive. Russia and Israel aren't adversaries and I don't know why Communists online act as if they are (could it be? They define all geopolitical relations based on "for or against the USA?") Relations deteriorated in 2022, but they improved when Netanyahu got back in office. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago No one in Wall Street conducted a single transaction with Epstein. permalink fedilink source parent