▲ 113 ▼ 'They're just meat': Russia deploys punishment battalions in echo of Stalin (www.reuters.com) submitted 2 years ago by Madison_rogue@kbin.social to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 8 comments fedilink hide all child comments Drunk recruits, insubordinate soldiers and convicts are among hundreds of military and civilian offenders pressed into Russian penal units known as "Storm-Z" squads and sent to the frontlines in Ukraine this year. Few live to tell their tale.
[+] zephyreks@lemmy.ml -49 points 2 years ago (2 children) Criminals say they're unhappy being criminals. At least Russia's criminal population isn't dominated by ethnic minorities. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) At least Russia’s criminal population isn’t dominated by ethnic minorities. I wonder if that's entirely true. I strongly suspect they're overrepresented. Historically the Soviets deported a lot of non-Russian minorities to penal colonies. Same thing now, where a lot of Ukrainians are being deported to the far east. Russians are also quite frequently virulently racist. People from the Caucusus, central-Asia, etc. Anti-semitism too. Of course, now they're disproportionately sending those minorities to die in Ukraine, so there's that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] davel@lemmy.ml -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Historically the Soviets deported a lot of non-Russian minorities to penal colonies. They did do that to a number of Axis powers fascists, because they were fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first deportations of ethnic minorities started in the 1920s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] zinguszna@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) ??? The rise of fascism to serious prominence, and the existence of 'Axis' powers, predates World War II, try World War I for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* They weren't deporting axis power fascists in the 1920s. They were primarily deporting peasants who resisted collectivisation. They weren't 'axis power fascists'. Even Stalin didn't use that excuse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] herr@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The Russian "justice" system has a conviction rate of 99.3%. It's safe to say they're giving large swathes of completely innocent people the death penalty here - people who are someone's father, child, or friend. Is that the system you see as exemplary for the west? Are these the Russian family values I'm always hearing so much about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago It's at a similar level as Japan. I'm generalizing here, but Asian cultures don't like being wrong so it's far more common for a case to never go to trial than for it to go to trial and end up with an acquittal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) At least Russia’s criminal population isn’t dominated by ethnic minorities. I wonder if that's entirely true. I strongly suspect they're overrepresented. Historically the Soviets deported a lot of non-Russian minorities to penal colonies. Same thing now, where a lot of Ukrainians are being deported to the far east. Russians are also quite frequently virulently racist. People from the Caucusus, central-Asia, etc. Anti-semitism too. Of course, now they're disproportionately sending those minorities to die in Ukraine, so there's that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] davel@lemmy.ml -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Historically the Soviets deported a lot of non-Russian minorities to penal colonies. They did do that to a number of Axis powers fascists, because they were fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first deportations of ethnic minorities started in the 1920s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] zinguszna@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) ??? The rise of fascism to serious prominence, and the existence of 'Axis' powers, predates World War II, try World War I for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* They weren't deporting axis power fascists in the 1920s. They were primarily deporting peasants who resisted collectivisation. They weren't 'axis power fascists'. Even Stalin didn't use that excuse. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] davel@lemmy.ml -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Historically the Soviets deported a lot of non-Russian minorities to penal colonies. They did do that to a number of Axis powers fascists, because they were fascists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first deportations of ethnic minorities started in the 1920s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] zinguszna@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) ??? The rise of fascism to serious prominence, and the existence of 'Axis' powers, predates World War II, try World War I for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* They weren't deporting axis power fascists in the 1920s. They were primarily deporting peasants who resisted collectivisation. They weren't 'axis power fascists'. Even Stalin didn't use that excuse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first deportations of ethnic minorities started in the 1920s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] zinguszna@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) ??? The rise of fascism to serious prominence, and the existence of 'Axis' powers, predates World War II, try World War I for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* They weren't deporting axis power fascists in the 1920s. They were primarily deporting peasants who resisted collectivisation. They weren't 'axis power fascists'. Even Stalin didn't use that excuse. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] zinguszna@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) ??? The rise of fascism to serious prominence, and the existence of 'Axis' powers, predates World War II, try World War I for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* They weren't deporting axis power fascists in the 1920s. They were primarily deporting peasants who resisted collectivisation. They weren't 'axis power fascists'. Even Stalin didn't use that excuse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* They weren't deporting axis power fascists in the 1920s. They were primarily deporting peasants who resisted collectivisation. They weren't 'axis power fascists'. Even Stalin didn't use that excuse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] herr@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The Russian "justice" system has a conviction rate of 99.3%. It's safe to say they're giving large swathes of completely innocent people the death penalty here - people who are someone's father, child, or friend. Is that the system you see as exemplary for the west? Are these the Russian family values I'm always hearing so much about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago It's at a similar level as Japan. I'm generalizing here, but Asian cultures don't like being wrong so it's far more common for a case to never go to trial than for it to go to trial and end up with an acquittal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago It's at a similar level as Japan. I'm generalizing here, but Asian cultures don't like being wrong so it's far more common for a case to never go to trial than for it to go to trial and end up with an acquittal. permalink fedilink source parent