And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don't understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.

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[–] 165 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ignores the don't X here sign then gets mad when they aren't allowed to X

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    "It's so unfair!" ... as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.

    A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml's authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they've never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don't like it then feel free to try to stop them.

    Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.

    Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    The issue with a "no politics" rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Okay and if the users of that community are happy with that and you are free to stay away, where is the problem exactly?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The issue is that users generally don't get a say. Even in the fediverse, moderators aren't chosen democratically. Yeah, you can start your own community and try to build it up, but inertia is not in your favor.

    Anyway, my point is that a "no politics" rule is not really reasonable. You can have one, and you can enforce it however you want. It will always just end up causing issues though. For example: look up Nazi degenerate art. It's just art, right? However, to them it was political, and it was political in a way they didn't like, so they removed it from society.

    No moderator is perfect. Even if you trust them, blurry rules probably aren't the best. There's better ways to define the intent than "no politics" that create clear borders of what's allowed and what isn't. Blurry rules are usually best for those who want to abuse it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The issue is that users generally don’t get a say.

    Yes that is because they don't carry any of the responsibilities of running the server. Why would they be allowed to decide?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    I didn't say they should. Your comment implied that they did (or at least implies participation is consent). I just pointed out that they, in fact, do not. There is no value judgement in that statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I am excited to see how your lemmy instance works out. When will it go online?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I just saw this post on "All". I'm not part of this community and I don't care to open an alternative for it. I'm just point out how blurry rules are open for abuse. Just because you agree with the person running things today doesn't mean someone in the future won't use it to remove something you want to stay. I don't understand how people don't get this yet.

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