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Iranians set fire to the flags of Israel and the United States, as well as an obelisk and a statue of Baal which they described as a symbol of Satan in response to release of the Epstein documents. (lemmy.ml)
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Today, in a symbolic act, Iranians set fire to the flags of Israel and the United States, as well as an obelisk and a statue of Baal—which they described as a symbol of Satan—in various cities across Iran in response to the release of the Epstein documents.

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[–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I don't really know about christians but for muslims, Allah was never a merge of other gods, so what you are saying is not correct when it comes to muslims.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Not canonically, but they mean historically and like sociologically.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The etymology of some words have previous origins, but that's it. The concept of God in Islam (and all of Abrahamic monotheism) is very different from other religions (including the pagan religions of the time and Zoroastrianism), it's way less bestial and/or anthropomorphic and local.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    i went on a really fascinating rabbit hole when i read baal's role in the epstein files and learn that all abrahamic monotheism started out as polythesitic paganism based on the ancient mesopotomic pantheon of gods.

    over time, they morphed into monotheism with a particular god as the supreme ruler and all of the other others were demoted to demigod/hero/prophet/noteable-figure status. baal was such a god and became synonymous with satan in what would eventually become the cristo-judiastic religions we know today.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    That's pretty interesting, if questionable. The major prophets of Abrahamic monotheism are pretty clearly men, with flaws and no major powers (Moses parted the sea and Jesus healed the sick but the former had to exile himself and lead his people through the desert and much suffering and the latter got captured and murdered by the Romans... Zeus wouldn't have gone through that, you know). Solomon was proud and very hedonistic in his youth, Moses killed a man, Job got angry at God... But yeah, before God guided people full-on, paganism was the law of the land. Or they had something more interesting and closer to the magnanimity, complete supremacy and non-anthropomorphic nature of God, like the cultures that worshipped the Sun. 🤷

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The major prophets of Abrahamic monotheism are pretty clearly men, with flaws and no major powers

    that's another fascinating aspect about how these religions morphed in christianity, judiasm & islam that i learned.

    the gods slowly lose their god powers over the millennia and those powers are either re-attributed to the one god; that would later be the same god that the christians, jews & muslims worship today; or just disappear altogether. the end result is that you have one god with all of the powers and just regular people.

    it's a bit like how tolkien described middle earth or how greek/roman pantheon describe the ages going from heroes to men, with the old ages defined by powerful creatures like the titans and balrogs at the begging of history and then a slow degradation of power to the point of ordinary men and hobbits in the current age.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Mmm. I appreciate the information and your politeness. The Christians are Trinitarians so idk if they count but fair enough. ✌️

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    the christian trinity is also fascinating; it's one of the most modern examples of this sort of god-powers-changing-hands phenomenon when i used tolkien and the greek/roman pantheon as examples.

    I appreciate the information and your politeness.

    you should consider changing primary instances if you're hit with rudeness so much that you felt the need to say this.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The etymology of some words have previous origins, but that's it.

    What are you basing this on? It's pretty settled among historians that the Abrahamic God is Yahweh, who was previously a minor deity in the Canaanite pantheon.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

    The concept of God in...all of Abrahamic monotheism...is very different from other religions (including the pagan religions of the time), it's way less bestial and/or anthropomorphic and local.

    Whoa. Super judgemental here, and also wrong.

    Semitic polytheism transitioned into Abrahamic monotheism by way of Yahwism, a variety of Canaanite paganism centred on Yahweh, the national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah. In this process, Yahweh was syncretized with El, the supreme god of the Canaanite pantheon, whose name "El" אל, or elah אלה is a word for "god" in Hebrew, cognate to Arabic ʼilāh إله, and its definitive pronoun form الله Allāh, "(The) God".

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Religion are just belief stolen from other religion that stole it from other religion since the start of religion anyway

    So in that way yes it’s true for muslim too

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Not true for christians either. There is the holy trinity, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit but they are seen as different expressions of the one god, not three gods merged into one.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Trinity was originally considered polytheism by the Church.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not that deeply versed into it, the "sun" analogy gets used a lot nowadays, but sabellius himself was excommunicated for supposedly opposing trinity or something idk I don't really understand it tbh

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. As Christians we're largely taught not to question or doubt. I'm hard-headed, and wanting to better understand my faith had changed it in irrevocable ways, over the years. Regardless of the faiths I've explored, I keep ending up at the same place, different vantage point, like climbing an eternal spiral staircase, and the ancient mystical symbol found on cave walls makes more sense, and clues us that these people were much more intelligent than we credit them. In short, lack of language/vocabulary != lack of intelligence, ability to think deeply. We just rely more heavily on different brain hemispheres. If we ever evolve to the place where the larger world populace uses both equally and simultaneously, I'll daresay we will become "as gods," able to eat from every tree in the metaphorical garden!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I've been dialectical about my faith in many ways. I grew up in a majority muslim country so having to "defend" or rather explain my faith has been at the core of it from the very start. Synthesising two theses gives me great joy and so I definitely understand your point about having to irrevocably change it. Creationism, The bible as the word of god being the two largest, LGBTQ+ acceptance of course and some other ones likely. I'm currently on the Jesus was not a vegan bend. This one is pretty tough I've gotta say 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Literally chuckling, first sip of coffee barely swallowed in time to avoid spilling!

    I'm currently on the Jesus was not a vegan bend. This one is pretty tough I've gotta say

    Hard to say, but he celebrated Passover after the trumphal entry on the ass, and was welcomed and financed by enough people "of means," that lamb was probably served. Additionally there are the five loaves and two fishes miracle, so I'm not sure. I lean toward agreement with you, although it's possible he restrained from fish and lamb, himself, as we're simply not told.

    I will encourage you he literally told the disciples not to take everything so literally, after the Sermon on the Mount, when asked why he taught in parables. My latest hypothesis is that in certain instances, "dead/death" referenced spiritually dead (eating from the tree of life, dead bury the dead), and the reason his teachings not being for those who didn't understand the parables is because those people had hardened their hearts (empty cups), and hadn't done the spiritual work (being spiritually alive) to understand. Wait until you start digging into Judaism and Jewish mystacism! 🤯 The soul is truly taught differently!

    Anyway, best along your journey, may it ever bring you closer to union within yourself and the Divine.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    My latest hypothesis is that in certain instances, “dead/death” referenced spiritually dead (eating from the tree of life, dead bury the dead), and the reason his teachings not being for those who didn’t understand the parables is because those people had hardened their hearts (empty cups), and hadn’t done the spiritual work (being spiritually alive) to understand.

    Oh yeah, that was one of the things that got resolved to "hell" is not a place, but more of a state of being, or rather not being anymore. How atheists view death.

    Well the "Jesus is not a vegan" is of course a bit of a caricature. More broadly, genesis talks about giving "mankind dominion over animals" for example. God drowns all the animals except two for mankinds sins? Seven if they're "holy"? Being kinda speciesist there bestie... Not to mention the hell did those animals that got drowned do?? But the thing I'm most hung up on atm is after Jesus death him appearing at the shore and telling his disciples to cast their nets on the right side, them murdering a christillion of fish and coming to shore to Jesus already having the fire to roast them lit. Got me going "Not my savior 😤" in only a half-joking way to be real.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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