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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children) And those people are still insisting that we don’t blame them for the consequences of their decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 12 points 6 months ago (3 children) I just think that the blame should be squarely on the people who actively voted for the fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago But what if we can find a way to scream at people that agree with us on 80-90% of issues instead? That seems more productive than focusing on the actual Nazis! permalink fedilink source parent [–] madjo@piefed.social 6 points 6 months ago* There were more non-voters than there were voters for Orangina I'm going to keep holding them accountable too! permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Not lifting a finger against fascism is actively voting for fascism. Yes, the choices were all bad, but one was obviously much, much worse and they made a choice. Nobody gets a pass for gross negligence simply because irresponsible decisions were lower-effort than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) "don't blame me, I voted for 90% Hitler!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) So is Harris the "90% Hitler" in this case? Because, yeah no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* Because, yes. We can jump into Gaza, or just start with . . . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850 Though it doesn't really matter, since your centrist neoliberal ate shit and lost anyways. Is there a German word maybe for when you sell your soul and still wind up broke? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Janx@piefed.social 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Of course, and I don't fault them the impulse. No one likes being told they fucked up, which was why many of us were so vocal before the election. I don't even want to assign blame, instead to just help them to understand that (if our democracy can withstand this), we genuinely need them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halfsalesman@piefed.social 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Like you, I was a consequentialist before the election. I'm struggling to stay that way and now I might be a virtue ethicist who hates all US citizens who were not consequentialist before November 5th 2024 because I think they're just shit fucking people not worth saving. Part of me wants to be wrong. I want to be convinced. And yet I'm always going to be deeply fucking resentful if I find myself helping these people ever again. I shouldn't have to lift a fucking finger. Doing so literally psychologically hurts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago The roughly third who are completely on board with the fourth reich even when it decimates their family business or even entire town are lost. They'll have their epiphany about how bad a particular policy is, but somehow it's either OK in light of all the 'good' that Donvict is doing or the fault of some underling. The non voting third will just keep doing nothing. So long as the bread* and circuses keep rolling in, they won't notice anything until full on collapse. Even if some sort of magic happens and a sweep of the house and senate were to happen, replete with all of them executed as traitors or jailed for life... we've addressed none of the root problems of a completely bought and sold political system that none of us are a part of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 12 points 6 months ago (3 children) I just think that the blame should be squarely on the people who actively voted for the fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago But what if we can find a way to scream at people that agree with us on 80-90% of issues instead? That seems more productive than focusing on the actual Nazis! permalink fedilink source parent [–] madjo@piefed.social 6 points 6 months ago* There were more non-voters than there were voters for Orangina I'm going to keep holding them accountable too! permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Not lifting a finger against fascism is actively voting for fascism. Yes, the choices were all bad, but one was obviously much, much worse and they made a choice. Nobody gets a pass for gross negligence simply because irresponsible decisions were lower-effort than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) "don't blame me, I voted for 90% Hitler!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) So is Harris the "90% Hitler" in this case? Because, yeah no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* Because, yes. We can jump into Gaza, or just start with . . . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850 Though it doesn't really matter, since your centrist neoliberal ate shit and lost anyways. Is there a German word maybe for when you sell your soul and still wind up broke? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago But what if we can find a way to scream at people that agree with us on 80-90% of issues instead? That seems more productive than focusing on the actual Nazis! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madjo@piefed.social 6 points 6 months ago* There were more non-voters than there were voters for Orangina I'm going to keep holding them accountable too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 child) Not lifting a finger against fascism is actively voting for fascism. Yes, the choices were all bad, but one was obviously much, much worse and they made a choice. Nobody gets a pass for gross negligence simply because irresponsible decisions were lower-effort than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) "don't blame me, I voted for 90% Hitler!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) So is Harris the "90% Hitler" in this case? Because, yeah no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* Because, yes. We can jump into Gaza, or just start with . . . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850 Though it doesn't really matter, since your centrist neoliberal ate shit and lost anyways. Is there a German word maybe for when you sell your soul and still wind up broke? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) "don't blame me, I voted for 90% Hitler!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) So is Harris the "90% Hitler" in this case? Because, yeah no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* Because, yes. We can jump into Gaza, or just start with . . . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850 Though it doesn't really matter, since your centrist neoliberal ate shit and lost anyways. Is there a German word maybe for when you sell your soul and still wind up broke? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 5 months ago (1 child) So is Harris the "90% Hitler" in this case? Because, yeah no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* Because, yes. We can jump into Gaza, or just start with . . . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850 Though it doesn't really matter, since your centrist neoliberal ate shit and lost anyways. Is there a German word maybe for when you sell your soul and still wind up broke? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* Because, yes. We can jump into Gaza, or just start with . . . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850 Though it doesn't really matter, since your centrist neoliberal ate shit and lost anyways. Is there a German word maybe for when you sell your soul and still wind up broke? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Janx@piefed.social 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Of course, and I don't fault them the impulse. No one likes being told they fucked up, which was why many of us were so vocal before the election. I don't even want to assign blame, instead to just help them to understand that (if our democracy can withstand this), we genuinely need them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halfsalesman@piefed.social 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Like you, I was a consequentialist before the election. I'm struggling to stay that way and now I might be a virtue ethicist who hates all US citizens who were not consequentialist before November 5th 2024 because I think they're just shit fucking people not worth saving. Part of me wants to be wrong. I want to be convinced. And yet I'm always going to be deeply fucking resentful if I find myself helping these people ever again. I shouldn't have to lift a fucking finger. Doing so literally psychologically hurts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago The roughly third who are completely on board with the fourth reich even when it decimates their family business or even entire town are lost. They'll have their epiphany about how bad a particular policy is, but somehow it's either OK in light of all the 'good' that Donvict is doing or the fault of some underling. The non voting third will just keep doing nothing. So long as the bread* and circuses keep rolling in, they won't notice anything until full on collapse. Even if some sort of magic happens and a sweep of the house and senate were to happen, replete with all of them executed as traitors or jailed for life... we've addressed none of the root problems of a completely bought and sold political system that none of us are a part of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halfsalesman@piefed.social 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Like you, I was a consequentialist before the election. I'm struggling to stay that way and now I might be a virtue ethicist who hates all US citizens who were not consequentialist before November 5th 2024 because I think they're just shit fucking people not worth saving. Part of me wants to be wrong. I want to be convinced. And yet I'm always going to be deeply fucking resentful if I find myself helping these people ever again. I shouldn't have to lift a fucking finger. Doing so literally psychologically hurts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago The roughly third who are completely on board with the fourth reich even when it decimates their family business or even entire town are lost. They'll have their epiphany about how bad a particular policy is, but somehow it's either OK in light of all the 'good' that Donvict is doing or the fault of some underling. The non voting third will just keep doing nothing. So long as the bread* and circuses keep rolling in, they won't notice anything until full on collapse. Even if some sort of magic happens and a sweep of the house and senate were to happen, replete with all of them executed as traitors or jailed for life... we've addressed none of the root problems of a completely bought and sold political system that none of us are a part of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago The roughly third who are completely on board with the fourth reich even when it decimates their family business or even entire town are lost. They'll have their epiphany about how bad a particular policy is, but somehow it's either OK in light of all the 'good' that Donvict is doing or the fault of some underling. The non voting third will just keep doing nothing. So long as the bread* and circuses keep rolling in, they won't notice anything until full on collapse. Even if some sort of magic happens and a sweep of the house and senate were to happen, replete with all of them executed as traitors or jailed for life... we've addressed none of the root problems of a completely bought and sold political system that none of us are a part of. permalink fedilink source parent
