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Mediterranean diet can reduce risk of stroke by up to 25%, long-term study suggests (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm not disagreeing but Spanish people eat "jamon de York" which is processed red meat.

There are studies saying their in no benefit from any alcohol consumption.

So I'm keen to know what studies are actually measuring against as there is a lot of contradictory info out there.

As you say "moderation is key" but is it? I mean where has that been measured in these studies? If I say I eat 6000 calories but it is all Mediterranean food, is that going to bring my risk of stroke down in this paper?

Hence why I'm looking for the actual data.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    All right I've had a couple drinks.

    Your first sentence seems completely irrelevant. What is Spanish people eating whatever have to do with anything it's processed red meat okay so ... what?

    Moving on to your next sentence. I never claimed there's any benefit to alcohol consumption besides ... you know ... getting the buzz, socialization, maybe isolation though. Alcoholics are not a homogeneous group.

    To thy own self be true? That's in regards to your third sentence and also the third paragraph apparently.

    Yeah everything in moderation, buddy. Which then you go into a 6000 calorie diet which is about three times moderation... As far as stroke risk I couldn't tell you...

    I sincerely believe you don't give a single fuck about the data.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, ok. Interesting response.

    Unprocessed red meat is probably fine - my point is that Mediterranean diets contains processed red meat. Is the study counting that?

    Alcohol is also consumed by Mediterraneans. Is the study covering that?

    Is the volume of calories controlled for, or the ammout of red meat, or alcohol?

    I'm being a bit facetious with my stupid 6000 calories example, but thats kind of my point. It is not clear what a Mediterranean diet is from the write up. So we're both making assumptions without data.

    You're assuming moderate = good. I'm being flippant by pointing out that that isn't what the write up says, because it isn't clear what it is testing for.

    Sure, all things in moderate is a valid point. But thats not what the study is apparently saying.

    It is equally valid to say "exercise is good". Sure, but what has that to do with a Mediterranean diet - which is the missing bit of info.

    Anyway, not trying to piss you off. Enjoy your drink, in moderation of course ;)

    Have a good weekend.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago

    Well.. I'm 4 drinks into this successful Friday.

    Let's skip meat. To each their own. Or sometimes, I like to say, to reach their round.

    4 out of 5 blue groups consume alcohol regularly. Again, not good or bad, just is. Most do it in moderation, and that's seemingly good or okay. These people are regularly living to 100+ years old!

    I enjoy facetiousness. I enjoy you. I'm quite facetious myself.

    Yes! Moderate is good. That's the whole point. Moderation. Without moderation... Shit happens. Shit faced. Shit in the pants (literal). Shitting on people (hopefully just figuratively.) Which is not good. Unless you're into that? Heh.

    You can never take a single study as gospel. There are countless studies in the literature and we obviously will have some confirmation bias. I think the ultimate goal is figuring out what works for you/me. People have different genotypes. Some people do really well on high carb low fat while others do great on high fat low carb. But we all need protein... I think we can all agree on that.

    I'm wishing you the best. Trust yourself. Be authentic. It's appreciated.

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