▲ 74 ▼ Europe must stop ‘dreaming’ about defence without US, Rutte warns (www.ft.com) submitted 6 months ago by skepller@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.org 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments Nato chief says continent cannot afford to replace American security umbrella WTF Mark!
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 31 points 6 months ago (1 child) He chose to take the role of the Trump Appeaser. That's fine with me. But it also means I couldn't care less about what he's talking when it comes to steps to European independence. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rednax@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) He has been prime minister for long enough to know exactly how little the European leaders will care about his Trump appeasements. I still think that Rutte is the perfect guy for this role, now that we have to deal with Trump. Able to change position while shrugging of any hypocrasy, as slimy as your steriotypical politician, and plenty of experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rngtema@feddit.dk 6 points 6 months ago Vlad Vexler read a quote recently from the Jens Stoltenberg book (I haven't read it yet) on a NATO meeting during Trump's first term. The US delegation was ready to leave, and Rutte managed to make Trump stay, by praising Trump to the skies. This really put him in the position to become Sec Gen. And I agree - he is perfect for the role of Sec Gen during the current Trump era, for his position of keeping NATO alive. I think most people see Rutte as a bad Sec Gen, due to him "letting" Trump do and say whatever, and help destroy the current international order. But his job is not to keep the international order alive, its to keep NATO alive. Whether NATO will survive a change to the international order is a different question though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 child) He has been prime minister for long enough to know exactly how little the European leaders will care about his Trump appeasements. I still think that Rutte is the perfect guy for this role, now that we have to deal with Trump. Able to change position while shrugging of any hypocrasy, as slimy as your steriotypical politician, and plenty of experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rngtema@feddit.dk 6 points 6 months ago Vlad Vexler read a quote recently from the Jens Stoltenberg book (I haven't read it yet) on a NATO meeting during Trump's first term. The US delegation was ready to leave, and Rutte managed to make Trump stay, by praising Trump to the skies. This really put him in the position to become Sec Gen. And I agree - he is perfect for the role of Sec Gen during the current Trump era, for his position of keeping NATO alive. I think most people see Rutte as a bad Sec Gen, due to him "letting" Trump do and say whatever, and help destroy the current international order. But his job is not to keep the international order alive, its to keep NATO alive. Whether NATO will survive a change to the international order is a different question though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rngtema@feddit.dk 6 points 6 months ago Vlad Vexler read a quote recently from the Jens Stoltenberg book (I haven't read it yet) on a NATO meeting during Trump's first term. The US delegation was ready to leave, and Rutte managed to make Trump stay, by praising Trump to the skies. This really put him in the position to become Sec Gen. And I agree - he is perfect for the role of Sec Gen during the current Trump era, for his position of keeping NATO alive. I think most people see Rutte as a bad Sec Gen, due to him "letting" Trump do and say whatever, and help destroy the current international order. But his job is not to keep the international order alive, its to keep NATO alive. Whether NATO will survive a change to the international order is a different question though. permalink fedilink source parent