And we have seen instances where the ice nazis murder first and fabricate an excuse later.

If they think someone in an apartment has a gun, they aren't going to run away. They are going to just shoot. What makes ice back off is when the community stands up and makes it clear that they are going to have to murder a LOT of people to get what they want.... and that works for now.

Which is why fuckface is working so hard to get the us military to "support" ice. They are actually trained for this and will just chuck some grenades into that apartment.

Just to add on. This is nothing new. This is why cops/swat do so many "no knock raids". The idea is "Well, this person might be armed so we are just going to sneak up, kick down the door, flashbang every crib we can find, and shoot anyone who resists".

And that works because even if you "train a lot" and carry your glock in your waistband 24/7, shock and awe tactics disable brains at all "training levels".