Nangijala comments on Ice Out Protest Minneapolis, MN today

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, on the flipside Americans (edit: and russian trolls especially)constantly mock European politicians with the "they're gonna send a strongly worded letter" which is the single most retarded thing I have heard and keep hearing from that camp. Personally, I have respect for the Americans who go protest, while I have a lot less respect for the politicians in America who do have the power to push back against trump, yet all they seem to do is nothing while blaming Europe for trump acting like a toddler. Meanwhile we here in Europe do what every adult with self respect does to a screaming child at the store - we tell them no. Calmly and without escalation. If we start behaving like trump, there is no adults left to help calm things down. In america, however, it seems that every politician is either enabling trump or acting like him: attacking the wrong people because it is easier to slap around your friends than standing up to your true enemy. Gavin Newsom. I see you, bitch.

But yeah, I have respect for the common folk who are protesting in america. I have had respect for the tons of protests they have done since january of last year. It is historical but it kinda drowns in the piles of shit trump poops out daily to keep all of us disoriented and angry at all kinds of different things.

He is destroying America from the inside and he's destroying America's relationship with their allies from the outside. I genuinely feel so fucking bad for you guys, because you and your children and your childrens children will be the ones to pay the ultimate price of trumps second presidency. Whatever allies you'll have left when his time is over will be significantly less than what they used to be and meanwhile your country will be in massive economic trouble which will only get worse once the effect of de-americanization in Europe starts to be felt in your country.

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[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

It comforts me to know people in entirely different countries also think Gavin Newsom is a little bitch.

Thanks, from California (* not a Republican)

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

I have heard Americans talk about him in very negative terms before, but never really new the details as I usually try to stay as far away from news and politics as possible.

However, with his recent Trumpish tactic of calling Europe pathetic and the laughing stock of the world and accusing us of giving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize (I didn't know Venezuela was a European country, nor that Machado was part of the Nobel Peace Prize committee), it really cemented to me that he was that kind of cunt and not just unpopular among some voters for his politics.

I could 100% agree with all of his politics and still think he's a cunt for using those kinds of tactics instead of being a fucking adult and treating his voters, his state and his position as politician and governor like a joke. I will never respect him, he will always be a joke to me and the Democrats will be a joke if they elect him to represent him during the next presidential election. I'm a much bigger fan of AOC. Everytime she opens her mouth, as far as I'm aware, she's been spitting facts. America needs someone with the dignity, intelligence and warmth she has displayed towards the American people. That's what I think, but take it with a grain of salt as I genuinely try to stay out of politics as much as possible and am ignorant to most things.

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[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

Gavin Newsom vetoed legal psychedelics (in other words he wants people in prison for possessing plants and doing what they want with their own bodies / minds), vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers, repeatedly disregarded COVID mandates that he himself put into place, and took photo ops throwing away the only worldly possessions of homeless people.

Basically what's happened to the Democratic Party in the United States is that their base has moved left, for example, increasingly having a favorable view of socialism, increasingly supporting universal healthcare, and holding an increasingly unfavorable (to put it mildly) view of Israel. But the oligarch donors (by way of Citizens United, and the more recent Supreme Court decision which basically legalized bribery) who define the DNC's allowed rhetoric and actions won't allow Democrats to move left, because that would be contrary to capitalism, which is of course the top priority for the oligarchs in question. So, aware of their rapidly diminishing base, the Democrats are instead moving in the only permitted direction where they see any potential to pick up voters: more to the right. This is why Kamala Harris promised "the most lethal military in the world", campaigned with Liz Cheney (daughter or maybe granddaughter of Dick Cheney, war criminal architect of the illegitimate Iraq War), and talked about being tough on crime and immigration. Gavin Newsom is doing the same thing.

The thing is - in my opinion, and I think as evidenced by the 2024 election - rightwing people will just vote for the real deal, and leftwing people won't vote for you at all. So Democrats, barred by their owners from serving as an actual opposition party, are guaranteeing their own irrelevancy and the dominance of Republicans in the short-term. Unless people are so fed up with Republicans they just vote for Democrats despite not actually really liking any of their policies, which is a possibility... but then people will just vote a Republican in again after Democrats inevitably live up to Biden's famous promise, "Nothing will fundamentally change."

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 point 6 months ago

Thank you for your comment. It helps with context and gives me some perspective. It seems generally in line with the perception many of us outsiders have about the US generally and the direction it has been going in for a long time now.

And I also appreciate you sharing some of the reasons Americans don't like Newsom. I feel like I understand their perspective a bit better now.

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[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

I'm confused by this. The only people I've read complaining about the "strongly worded letter" tendencies have been criticising the us democratic party for its dereliction of duty and utterly feckless disregard of their constitutional oaths in the face of this fascist xenocidal administration. Where are you seeing the imprecations against Europe?

EDIT: You know what, I just read the rest of the thread OP's comments, and I rescind my point. They spew enough anti-european angst to fill a couple of comment sections.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

To answer your prior question: all over the internet. They are especially prevalent on youtube. I usually chalk them up to being Russian trolls, but I have also seen examples of real Americans holding these opinions towards Europe. Some of them were youtubers I was subscribed to for years, who became radicalized trump lovers and while I generally do not unsub from creators whose political opinions I disagree with, I just had enough of the aggressive anti-European rhetoric, that 9 time out of 10 was based upon lies or ignorance. I have even heard shit like "Europe has no freedom of speech" and then they use Britain's strict speech laws to paint all of Europe with that same brush. Be like me saying that all of America is anti abortion and that no place allows for women to have an abortion just because some states have either outlawed it or narrowed the rules around legal abortion.

The narrative that Europe is weak and "sends strongly worded letters" has more or less been used for mockery and killing our spirit since Putin sent missiles toward Kiyv in 2022.

Europe is not an innocent Saint who cannot be criticized and we definitely have been way too trusting and naive, but we are not stupid and we are not weak. The only people who repeat this sentiment over and over and over are our enemies who want to destabilize, divide and destroy us so that Putin and Trump can fight over who gets what piece of Europe in the end.

That is very clear to me and I fucking refuse to fall for that shit.

Ps, no hard feelings about you asking btw. It is valid to ask when you are in doubt of something. I do that all the time.

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[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

Fair enough. I only interact with Lemmy, nebula and dropout, so I don't really see that side of things (the few YouTube things I can't get on nebula are science-related, so they're fairly unlikely to join the Turd Reich)

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 point 6 months ago*

You're wiser than me, then. I left most of social media as well and before I left, there was a lot of toxic shit going on on those sites too. Lemmy isn't much better in that regard, but I prefer this open source setup over big silicon Valley sites that surveil everything you do. Youtube is the only big American social media platform I have yet to find the backbone to leave entirely behind. Mostly because there are a few podcasts on there, that I love and follow and I can only get the video recordings on youtube, so eh.

I hope I'll be able to detach as much as you someday, my friend. I think it is better for the soul and nervous system in the long run!

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