▲ 1011 ▼ YSK that no proof of United States citizenship, no matter how valid, guarantees protection when ICE decides you look like an immigrant. (www.twincities.com) submitted 6 months ago* by destructdisc@lemmy.world to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world 89 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 6 months ago (1 child) I dont know why they even mention the bit about criminal history. It would be no less heinous if she did have a criminal record. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's because the justification that the Administration keeps giving is that they are getting "criminals" off the streets. So it's worth in these articles when ICE picks up citizens who have no criminal record. It directly illustrates how they lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) I just wish we would stop letting fascist dictate the language thats used. We should stop playing into the performance of what they're doing. Don't afford it ant legitimacy. There's no contradiction in their behavior, because nothing they say is real. What is real is their hatred for minorities. What is real is their fascist takeover of the country. And the mass targeting of racialized minorities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 child) The problem is that, as US government officials, their words matter. Their official statements are newsworthy, even if they are lies. The media can't really ignore what they say. They can, however, illustrate when they are lying, even if this Administration throws a hissy-fit over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its just that in doing so you are legitimizing what they say to begin with. By pointing out the contradictions over and over you aren't actually swaying them or any of their followers. Because they're bigots. They're white supremacists. It was never about anything else. They want to deport minorities. They want a white ethnostate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* I think you are confusing the legitimacy of their positions and their message. Their positions are legitimate because, unfortunately, they gained their positions legitimately, either through elections or some other documented process. That's on us, ultimately. That makes what they have to say a matter of public record, and newsworthy. (There are a handful of Administration positions that are illegitimate, such as all these acting US attorneys, and the Courts are dealing with that separately.) The message is utter bullshit, and at least in some cases, not what their voters intended when they cast their vote. But how will those voters ever know if the message is never challenged in the first place? I believe it is possible to report the Administration's positions, while also attempting to hold them to account. The alternative is for the media to ignore it altogether. But we all know Conservative media won't do that. If other media simply refuses to cover the Administration entirely, that doesn't invalidate their message. Only by letting us know what they are saying, as well as how bonkers it all is, do we have any chance of emerging from this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (1 child) It's because the justification that the Administration keeps giving is that they are getting "criminals" off the streets. So it's worth in these articles when ICE picks up citizens who have no criminal record. It directly illustrates how they lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) I just wish we would stop letting fascist dictate the language thats used. We should stop playing into the performance of what they're doing. Don't afford it ant legitimacy. There's no contradiction in their behavior, because nothing they say is real. What is real is their hatred for minorities. What is real is their fascist takeover of the country. And the mass targeting of racialized minorities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 child) The problem is that, as US government officials, their words matter. Their official statements are newsworthy, even if they are lies. The media can't really ignore what they say. They can, however, illustrate when they are lying, even if this Administration throws a hissy-fit over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its just that in doing so you are legitimizing what they say to begin with. By pointing out the contradictions over and over you aren't actually swaying them or any of their followers. Because they're bigots. They're white supremacists. It was never about anything else. They want to deport minorities. They want a white ethnostate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* I think you are confusing the legitimacy of their positions and their message. Their positions are legitimate because, unfortunately, they gained their positions legitimately, either through elections or some other documented process. That's on us, ultimately. That makes what they have to say a matter of public record, and newsworthy. (There are a handful of Administration positions that are illegitimate, such as all these acting US attorneys, and the Courts are dealing with that separately.) The message is utter bullshit, and at least in some cases, not what their voters intended when they cast their vote. But how will those voters ever know if the message is never challenged in the first place? I believe it is possible to report the Administration's positions, while also attempting to hold them to account. The alternative is for the media to ignore it altogether. But we all know Conservative media won't do that. If other media simply refuses to cover the Administration entirely, that doesn't invalidate their message. Only by letting us know what they are saying, as well as how bonkers it all is, do we have any chance of emerging from this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) I just wish we would stop letting fascist dictate the language thats used. We should stop playing into the performance of what they're doing. Don't afford it ant legitimacy. There's no contradiction in their behavior, because nothing they say is real. What is real is their hatred for minorities. What is real is their fascist takeover of the country. And the mass targeting of racialized minorities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 child) The problem is that, as US government officials, their words matter. Their official statements are newsworthy, even if they are lies. The media can't really ignore what they say. They can, however, illustrate when they are lying, even if this Administration throws a hissy-fit over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its just that in doing so you are legitimizing what they say to begin with. By pointing out the contradictions over and over you aren't actually swaying them or any of their followers. Because they're bigots. They're white supremacists. It was never about anything else. They want to deport minorities. They want a white ethnostate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* I think you are confusing the legitimacy of their positions and their message. Their positions are legitimate because, unfortunately, they gained their positions legitimately, either through elections or some other documented process. That's on us, ultimately. That makes what they have to say a matter of public record, and newsworthy. (There are a handful of Administration positions that are illegitimate, such as all these acting US attorneys, and the Courts are dealing with that separately.) The message is utter bullshit, and at least in some cases, not what their voters intended when they cast their vote. But how will those voters ever know if the message is never challenged in the first place? I believe it is possible to report the Administration's positions, while also attempting to hold them to account. The alternative is for the media to ignore it altogether. But we all know Conservative media won't do that. If other media simply refuses to cover the Administration entirely, that doesn't invalidate their message. Only by letting us know what they are saying, as well as how bonkers it all is, do we have any chance of emerging from this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 child) The problem is that, as US government officials, their words matter. Their official statements are newsworthy, even if they are lies. The media can't really ignore what they say. They can, however, illustrate when they are lying, even if this Administration throws a hissy-fit over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its just that in doing so you are legitimizing what they say to begin with. By pointing out the contradictions over and over you aren't actually swaying them or any of their followers. Because they're bigots. They're white supremacists. It was never about anything else. They want to deport minorities. They want a white ethnostate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* I think you are confusing the legitimacy of their positions and their message. Their positions are legitimate because, unfortunately, they gained their positions legitimately, either through elections or some other documented process. That's on us, ultimately. That makes what they have to say a matter of public record, and newsworthy. (There are a handful of Administration positions that are illegitimate, such as all these acting US attorneys, and the Courts are dealing with that separately.) The message is utter bullshit, and at least in some cases, not what their voters intended when they cast their vote. But how will those voters ever know if the message is never challenged in the first place? I believe it is possible to report the Administration's positions, while also attempting to hold them to account. The alternative is for the media to ignore it altogether. But we all know Conservative media won't do that. If other media simply refuses to cover the Administration entirely, that doesn't invalidate their message. Only by letting us know what they are saying, as well as how bonkers it all is, do we have any chance of emerging from this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) Its just that in doing so you are legitimizing what they say to begin with. By pointing out the contradictions over and over you aren't actually swaying them or any of their followers. Because they're bigots. They're white supremacists. It was never about anything else. They want to deport minorities. They want a white ethnostate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* I think you are confusing the legitimacy of their positions and their message. Their positions are legitimate because, unfortunately, they gained their positions legitimately, either through elections or some other documented process. That's on us, ultimately. That makes what they have to say a matter of public record, and newsworthy. (There are a handful of Administration positions that are illegitimate, such as all these acting US attorneys, and the Courts are dealing with that separately.) The message is utter bullshit, and at least in some cases, not what their voters intended when they cast their vote. But how will those voters ever know if the message is never challenged in the first place? I believe it is possible to report the Administration's positions, while also attempting to hold them to account. The alternative is for the media to ignore it altogether. But we all know Conservative media won't do that. If other media simply refuses to cover the Administration entirely, that doesn't invalidate their message. Only by letting us know what they are saying, as well as how bonkers it all is, do we have any chance of emerging from this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* I think you are confusing the legitimacy of their positions and their message. Their positions are legitimate because, unfortunately, they gained their positions legitimately, either through elections or some other documented process. That's on us, ultimately. That makes what they have to say a matter of public record, and newsworthy. (There are a handful of Administration positions that are illegitimate, such as all these acting US attorneys, and the Courts are dealing with that separately.) The message is utter bullshit, and at least in some cases, not what their voters intended when they cast their vote. But how will those voters ever know if the message is never challenged in the first place? I believe it is possible to report the Administration's positions, while also attempting to hold them to account. The alternative is for the media to ignore it altogether. But we all know Conservative media won't do that. If other media simply refuses to cover the Administration entirely, that doesn't invalidate their message. Only by letting us know what they are saying, as well as how bonkers it all is, do we have any chance of emerging from this. permalink fedilink source parent