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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 135 points 6 months ago (5 children) - Make car dependant infrastructure for every single city or town - Refuse to innovate, build only "luxury" models - ???? - Profit permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] riskiedingo@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago (5 children) Similarly with housing. Why make cheap starter homes when you can make so much more with “Luxury” homes and condos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 6 months ago (2 children) And yet use the same cheap materials in the "luxury" ones that you would have used in the cheap ones anyway! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 36 points 6 months ago (1 child) I follow some home inspectors who post videos from their new home inspections, and holy crap the things they find are ridiculous. Like, construction companies should lose their licenses bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago (1 child) I visit some partially built homes from time to time, and recently saw one just after it had been inspected. On one wall, on the insulation, the inspector had scrawled STUD? In red felt. The stud was completely missing from the wall. It was just an empty frame filled with insulation. You’d think someone would have noticed earlier during construction, but obviously the actual contractor had just let the day labor go to town and never bothered to review their work before inspection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago A lot of times, it's the contractor cutting corners and hoping no one notices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 months ago lol, that is 100% every australian apartment built in the last 15 years. the window frames are plastic and the cladding is combustible... but it's got Italian tiles and "European appliances" so it's an "executive suite". that will be $1.5million fuck you very much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] worhui@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago It cost nearly the same to make a luxury unit as a stripped down one. Most of the cost is labor. Spend 5 k in fancier materials and get 50k for the unit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Similar to literally every market that involves 'things', as we transition from failing liberal capitalism to horrifying technofascist neofeudalism (aka cyberpunk dystopia). The next step is... well they won't lower the luxury prices, everything becomes renting, loaning, etc, even further and harder... untill you end up with bundled subscription plans / leases on a diverse array of physical things, as we currently have with bundles of online services. We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. ... unless enough people actually do something effrctive about it. Other wise, the K shaped economy becomes a === shaped economy. You're either on top, or you're not, and you're basically treated as a kind of cattle; raised, milked, then expended whenever it is most profitable to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. Isn't that just health insurance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Yes, that's true, but I meant more like uh... The Disney+ life supscription is partnered with Starbucks, which is also partnered with Amazon Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and Verizon, and Subaru and GM. The Netflix life supscription is partnered with Costco, Cox, and McDonalds, Chevy and Toyota. The HBO Max life supscription is partnered with Walmart, ATT, Honda and Ford, ... Cluck'in Bell, fucking whatever. And then also some kind of alliance type structure with various regional or national landlords/land developers. Like, uh, roughly the idea of a Japanese Keiretsu, or a Korean Chaebol, but kind of inverted, applied much more thoroughly to the consumer side, than to the finance/internal corporate structures. So yeah, you just pick one of those three life subscription plans, they all have various tiers, etc, and you... well you rent or lease or finance basically everything. Thats how the idea of a kind of Corporate Citizenship will start, something like that. That's my nightmare/prognostication. It won't be based around like, families of business that define your employment paths, as exists in much more uh, 'classic' cyberpunk, I guess. It'll be oriented around consumption, getting things, because... practically no one will even have 'real' jobs, having a career will become a defining marker of being born into an upper crust corpo elite class of some kind, the rest of us proles will just be shuffled between gig work, retail jobs, jail, prison, military, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I gotcha. Hell, we've been there before. The company towns essentially owned every aspect of the lives of the people that lived there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago There's a difference between "cheap" and "inexpensive." Mcmansions are cheap. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child) People wanted those mcmansions and rebuilds jack up prices. Now those massive suburban mcmansions are getting old in the tooth and no one wants to buy them. They are realizing they need to build smaller homes finally. We'll probably see more townhomes with shared structures (walls/roofs). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Before they were building mcmansions and charging a fortune for them. Now they're building sardine cans and charging a fortune for them. Much better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (2 children) Force you to rent an apartment Refuse to build anything affordable, only "luxury" models ??? Profit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget the government cutting funding for affordable housing projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) Amateur hour, my government funds 'affordable' housing projects that cost 300 grand and immediately turn into overpriced rentals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago At least housing is actually being built, but I know what you mean. Theres no real affordable housing near me and the wait list for what little is available has been closed due to budget cuts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I recently read an article about "affordable" apartments being constructed an hour or so away. 900 SF, one br and bath, $2200, in a right to work, $7.25/hr minimum wage state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) that sounds cheap to me. where i live a new 1bd/1bath will be closer to 3000-3500 crappy leaky roach filled basement apartments go for 2200 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago Capitalism ??? Planetary Doom permalink fedilink source parent [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 18 points 6 months ago (1 child) Thanks to the invention of debt, we can continue taking from the poor what they don’t even have! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago They do have it. It's the value they generate while working. That's what we've always taken, regardless of the exact financial tool used. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) Sorry I didn't get that, did you say you wanted an even larger pickup truck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) Can you jack up the front so I can't see and put a bar on it so I can kill anyone I hit? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) We're way ahead of you! Our engineers have worked tirelessly to come up with an extra flat front that maximises impact with unsuspecting pedestrians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago Can I get it angled to ensure they're swept under? I don't want to risk them hitting my 1' of windshield permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) Cede sedans to Japanese car companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago Even they aren't selling them as much in the US any more. You don't really see many new Accords or Camrys any more, you see CR-Vs and Rav4s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] riskiedingo@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago (5 children) Similarly with housing. Why make cheap starter homes when you can make so much more with “Luxury” homes and condos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 6 months ago (2 children) And yet use the same cheap materials in the "luxury" ones that you would have used in the cheap ones anyway! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 36 points 6 months ago (1 child) I follow some home inspectors who post videos from their new home inspections, and holy crap the things they find are ridiculous. Like, construction companies should lose their licenses bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago (1 child) I visit some partially built homes from time to time, and recently saw one just after it had been inspected. On one wall, on the insulation, the inspector had scrawled STUD? In red felt. The stud was completely missing from the wall. It was just an empty frame filled with insulation. You’d think someone would have noticed earlier during construction, but obviously the actual contractor had just let the day labor go to town and never bothered to review their work before inspection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago A lot of times, it's the contractor cutting corners and hoping no one notices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 months ago lol, that is 100% every australian apartment built in the last 15 years. the window frames are plastic and the cladding is combustible... but it's got Italian tiles and "European appliances" so it's an "executive suite". that will be $1.5million fuck you very much. permalink fedilink source parent [–] worhui@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago It cost nearly the same to make a luxury unit as a stripped down one. Most of the cost is labor. Spend 5 k in fancier materials and get 50k for the unit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Similar to literally every market that involves 'things', as we transition from failing liberal capitalism to horrifying technofascist neofeudalism (aka cyberpunk dystopia). The next step is... well they won't lower the luxury prices, everything becomes renting, loaning, etc, even further and harder... untill you end up with bundled subscription plans / leases on a diverse array of physical things, as we currently have with bundles of online services. We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. ... unless enough people actually do something effrctive about it. Other wise, the K shaped economy becomes a === shaped economy. You're either on top, or you're not, and you're basically treated as a kind of cattle; raised, milked, then expended whenever it is most profitable to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. Isn't that just health insurance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Yes, that's true, but I meant more like uh... The Disney+ life supscription is partnered with Starbucks, which is also partnered with Amazon Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and Verizon, and Subaru and GM. The Netflix life supscription is partnered with Costco, Cox, and McDonalds, Chevy and Toyota. The HBO Max life supscription is partnered with Walmart, ATT, Honda and Ford, ... Cluck'in Bell, fucking whatever. And then also some kind of alliance type structure with various regional or national landlords/land developers. Like, uh, roughly the idea of a Japanese Keiretsu, or a Korean Chaebol, but kind of inverted, applied much more thoroughly to the consumer side, than to the finance/internal corporate structures. So yeah, you just pick one of those three life subscription plans, they all have various tiers, etc, and you... well you rent or lease or finance basically everything. Thats how the idea of a kind of Corporate Citizenship will start, something like that. That's my nightmare/prognostication. It won't be based around like, families of business that define your employment paths, as exists in much more uh, 'classic' cyberpunk, I guess. It'll be oriented around consumption, getting things, because... practically no one will even have 'real' jobs, having a career will become a defining marker of being born into an upper crust corpo elite class of some kind, the rest of us proles will just be shuffled between gig work, retail jobs, jail, prison, military, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I gotcha. Hell, we've been there before. The company towns essentially owned every aspect of the lives of the people that lived there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago There's a difference between "cheap" and "inexpensive." Mcmansions are cheap. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child) People wanted those mcmansions and rebuilds jack up prices. Now those massive suburban mcmansions are getting old in the tooth and no one wants to buy them. They are realizing they need to build smaller homes finally. We'll probably see more townhomes with shared structures (walls/roofs). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Before they were building mcmansions and charging a fortune for them. Now they're building sardine cans and charging a fortune for them. Much better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 6 months ago (2 children) And yet use the same cheap materials in the "luxury" ones that you would have used in the cheap ones anyway! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 36 points 6 months ago (1 child) I follow some home inspectors who post videos from their new home inspections, and holy crap the things they find are ridiculous. Like, construction companies should lose their licenses bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago (1 child) I visit some partially built homes from time to time, and recently saw one just after it had been inspected. On one wall, on the insulation, the inspector had scrawled STUD? In red felt. The stud was completely missing from the wall. It was just an empty frame filled with insulation. You’d think someone would have noticed earlier during construction, but obviously the actual contractor had just let the day labor go to town and never bothered to review their work before inspection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago A lot of times, it's the contractor cutting corners and hoping no one notices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 months ago lol, that is 100% every australian apartment built in the last 15 years. the window frames are plastic and the cladding is combustible... but it's got Italian tiles and "European appliances" so it's an "executive suite". that will be $1.5million fuck you very much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 36 points 6 months ago (1 child) I follow some home inspectors who post videos from their new home inspections, and holy crap the things they find are ridiculous. Like, construction companies should lose their licenses bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago (1 child) I visit some partially built homes from time to time, and recently saw one just after it had been inspected. On one wall, on the insulation, the inspector had scrawled STUD? In red felt. The stud was completely missing from the wall. It was just an empty frame filled with insulation. You’d think someone would have noticed earlier during construction, but obviously the actual contractor had just let the day labor go to town and never bothered to review their work before inspection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago A lot of times, it's the contractor cutting corners and hoping no one notices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago (1 child) I visit some partially built homes from time to time, and recently saw one just after it had been inspected. On one wall, on the insulation, the inspector had scrawled STUD? In red felt. The stud was completely missing from the wall. It was just an empty frame filled with insulation. You’d think someone would have noticed earlier during construction, but obviously the actual contractor had just let the day labor go to town and never bothered to review their work before inspection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago A lot of times, it's the contractor cutting corners and hoping no one notices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago A lot of times, it's the contractor cutting corners and hoping no one notices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 months ago lol, that is 100% every australian apartment built in the last 15 years. the window frames are plastic and the cladding is combustible... but it's got Italian tiles and "European appliances" so it's an "executive suite". that will be $1.5million fuck you very much. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] worhui@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago It cost nearly the same to make a luxury unit as a stripped down one. Most of the cost is labor. Spend 5 k in fancier materials and get 50k for the unit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Similar to literally every market that involves 'things', as we transition from failing liberal capitalism to horrifying technofascist neofeudalism (aka cyberpunk dystopia). The next step is... well they won't lower the luxury prices, everything becomes renting, loaning, etc, even further and harder... untill you end up with bundled subscription plans / leases on a diverse array of physical things, as we currently have with bundles of online services. We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. ... unless enough people actually do something effrctive about it. Other wise, the K shaped economy becomes a === shaped economy. You're either on top, or you're not, and you're basically treated as a kind of cattle; raised, milked, then expended whenever it is most profitable to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. Isn't that just health insurance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Yes, that's true, but I meant more like uh... The Disney+ life supscription is partnered with Starbucks, which is also partnered with Amazon Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and Verizon, and Subaru and GM. The Netflix life supscription is partnered with Costco, Cox, and McDonalds, Chevy and Toyota. The HBO Max life supscription is partnered with Walmart, ATT, Honda and Ford, ... Cluck'in Bell, fucking whatever. And then also some kind of alliance type structure with various regional or national landlords/land developers. Like, uh, roughly the idea of a Japanese Keiretsu, or a Korean Chaebol, but kind of inverted, applied much more thoroughly to the consumer side, than to the finance/internal corporate structures. So yeah, you just pick one of those three life subscription plans, they all have various tiers, etc, and you... well you rent or lease or finance basically everything. Thats how the idea of a kind of Corporate Citizenship will start, something like that. That's my nightmare/prognostication. It won't be based around like, families of business that define your employment paths, as exists in much more uh, 'classic' cyberpunk, I guess. It'll be oriented around consumption, getting things, because... practically no one will even have 'real' jobs, having a career will become a defining marker of being born into an upper crust corpo elite class of some kind, the rest of us proles will just be shuffled between gig work, retail jobs, jail, prison, military, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I gotcha. Hell, we've been there before. The company towns essentially owned every aspect of the lives of the people that lived there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) We literally going to transition to a subscription based model for just being alive. Isn't that just health insurance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Yes, that's true, but I meant more like uh... The Disney+ life supscription is partnered with Starbucks, which is also partnered with Amazon Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and Verizon, and Subaru and GM. The Netflix life supscription is partnered with Costco, Cox, and McDonalds, Chevy and Toyota. The HBO Max life supscription is partnered with Walmart, ATT, Honda and Ford, ... Cluck'in Bell, fucking whatever. And then also some kind of alliance type structure with various regional or national landlords/land developers. Like, uh, roughly the idea of a Japanese Keiretsu, or a Korean Chaebol, but kind of inverted, applied much more thoroughly to the consumer side, than to the finance/internal corporate structures. So yeah, you just pick one of those three life subscription plans, they all have various tiers, etc, and you... well you rent or lease or finance basically everything. Thats how the idea of a kind of Corporate Citizenship will start, something like that. That's my nightmare/prognostication. It won't be based around like, families of business that define your employment paths, as exists in much more uh, 'classic' cyberpunk, I guess. It'll be oriented around consumption, getting things, because... practically no one will even have 'real' jobs, having a career will become a defining marker of being born into an upper crust corpo elite class of some kind, the rest of us proles will just be shuffled between gig work, retail jobs, jail, prison, military, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I gotcha. Hell, we've been there before. The company towns essentially owned every aspect of the lives of the people that lived there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) Yes, that's true, but I meant more like uh... The Disney+ life supscription is partnered with Starbucks, which is also partnered with Amazon Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and Verizon, and Subaru and GM. The Netflix life supscription is partnered with Costco, Cox, and McDonalds, Chevy and Toyota. The HBO Max life supscription is partnered with Walmart, ATT, Honda and Ford, ... Cluck'in Bell, fucking whatever. And then also some kind of alliance type structure with various regional or national landlords/land developers. Like, uh, roughly the idea of a Japanese Keiretsu, or a Korean Chaebol, but kind of inverted, applied much more thoroughly to the consumer side, than to the finance/internal corporate structures. So yeah, you just pick one of those three life subscription plans, they all have various tiers, etc, and you... well you rent or lease or finance basically everything. Thats how the idea of a kind of Corporate Citizenship will start, something like that. That's my nightmare/prognostication. It won't be based around like, families of business that define your employment paths, as exists in much more uh, 'classic' cyberpunk, I guess. It'll be oriented around consumption, getting things, because... practically no one will even have 'real' jobs, having a career will become a defining marker of being born into an upper crust corpo elite class of some kind, the rest of us proles will just be shuffled between gig work, retail jobs, jail, prison, military, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I gotcha. Hell, we've been there before. The company towns essentially owned every aspect of the lives of the people that lived there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I gotcha. Hell, we've been there before. The company towns essentially owned every aspect of the lives of the people that lived there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 months ago Yep. I guess maybe a less verbose way to say it would be: Company towns, but...! Everything is computer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 6 months ago There's a difference between "cheap" and "inexpensive." Mcmansions are cheap. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child) People wanted those mcmansions and rebuilds jack up prices. Now those massive suburban mcmansions are getting old in the tooth and no one wants to buy them. They are realizing they need to build smaller homes finally. We'll probably see more townhomes with shared structures (walls/roofs). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Before they were building mcmansions and charging a fortune for them. Now they're building sardine cans and charging a fortune for them. Much better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago Before they were building mcmansions and charging a fortune for them. Now they're building sardine cans and charging a fortune for them. Much better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (2 children) Force you to rent an apartment Refuse to build anything affordable, only "luxury" models ??? Profit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget the government cutting funding for affordable housing projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) Amateur hour, my government funds 'affordable' housing projects that cost 300 grand and immediately turn into overpriced rentals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago At least housing is actually being built, but I know what you mean. Theres no real affordable housing near me and the wait list for what little is available has been closed due to budget cuts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I recently read an article about "affordable" apartments being constructed an hour or so away. 900 SF, one br and bath, $2200, in a right to work, $7.25/hr minimum wage state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) that sounds cheap to me. where i live a new 1bd/1bath will be closer to 3000-3500 crappy leaky roach filled basement apartments go for 2200 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago Capitalism ??? Planetary Doom permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 child) Don't forget the government cutting funding for affordable housing projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) Amateur hour, my government funds 'affordable' housing projects that cost 300 grand and immediately turn into overpriced rentals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago At least housing is actually being built, but I know what you mean. Theres no real affordable housing near me and the wait list for what little is available has been closed due to budget cuts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I recently read an article about "affordable" apartments being constructed an hour or so away. 900 SF, one br and bath, $2200, in a right to work, $7.25/hr minimum wage state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) that sounds cheap to me. where i live a new 1bd/1bath will be closer to 3000-3500 crappy leaky roach filled basement apartments go for 2200 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) Amateur hour, my government funds 'affordable' housing projects that cost 300 grand and immediately turn into overpriced rentals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago At least housing is actually being built, but I know what you mean. Theres no real affordable housing near me and the wait list for what little is available has been closed due to budget cuts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I recently read an article about "affordable" apartments being constructed an hour or so away. 900 SF, one br and bath, $2200, in a right to work, $7.25/hr minimum wage state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) that sounds cheap to me. where i live a new 1bd/1bath will be closer to 3000-3500 crappy leaky roach filled basement apartments go for 2200 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago At least housing is actually being built, but I know what you mean. Theres no real affordable housing near me and the wait list for what little is available has been closed due to budget cuts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I recently read an article about "affordable" apartments being constructed an hour or so away. 900 SF, one br and bath, $2200, in a right to work, $7.25/hr minimum wage state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) that sounds cheap to me. where i live a new 1bd/1bath will be closer to 3000-3500 crappy leaky roach filled basement apartments go for 2200 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) that sounds cheap to me. where i live a new 1bd/1bath will be closer to 3000-3500 crappy leaky roach filled basement apartments go for 2200 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) What's minimum wage? These are "low income." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) 20 bucks an hour minimum wage isn't low income. most people in low income housing make well above mimimum wage. stop conflating these two things. also, just because you think it's too expensive doesn't mean it isn't. other people have different price thresholds than you. i know people making half what i make paying way more rent than I am, because that's what they've chose to do because they believe they 'need' to live very expensive places. plenty of people are willing to vastly overpay for 'new' housing, as it's an amenity. just like in my city you pay an extra $1000 to live near a subway stop and if you go 1km away, the rent is way cheaper. or that if you want pets the rent goes up $500+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I live in a state where people do make minimum wage, or $8 send I told you what the situation is in my state. But go on and act like you know better than the one living here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) Sucks. Those people should probably get better jobs. Nobody is coming to save anyone. We have to save ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 6 months ago You know how these people save themselves? Crimes of opportunity. So the next time someone you know has a window smashed in or their FedEx missing, gets mugged, car jacked/stripped or sold adulterated street drugs, remember this conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago Capitalism ??? Planetary Doom permalink fedilink source parent
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 18 points 6 months ago (1 child) Thanks to the invention of debt, we can continue taking from the poor what they don’t even have! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago They do have it. It's the value they generate while working. That's what we've always taken, regardless of the exact financial tool used. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago They do have it. It's the value they generate while working. That's what we've always taken, regardless of the exact financial tool used. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) Sorry I didn't get that, did you say you wanted an even larger pickup truck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) Can you jack up the front so I can't see and put a bar on it so I can kill anyone I hit? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) We're way ahead of you! Our engineers have worked tirelessly to come up with an extra flat front that maximises impact with unsuspecting pedestrians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago Can I get it angled to ensure they're swept under? I don't want to risk them hitting my 1' of windshield permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) Can you jack up the front so I can't see and put a bar on it so I can kill anyone I hit? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) We're way ahead of you! Our engineers have worked tirelessly to come up with an extra flat front that maximises impact with unsuspecting pedestrians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago Can I get it angled to ensure they're swept under? I don't want to risk them hitting my 1' of windshield permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 6 points 6 months ago (1 child) We're way ahead of you! Our engineers have worked tirelessly to come up with an extra flat front that maximises impact with unsuspecting pedestrians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago Can I get it angled to ensure they're swept under? I don't want to risk them hitting my 1' of windshield permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago Can I get it angled to ensure they're swept under? I don't want to risk them hitting my 1' of windshield permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) Cede sedans to Japanese car companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago Even they aren't selling them as much in the US any more. You don't really see many new Accords or Camrys any more, you see CR-Vs and Rav4s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago Even they aren't selling them as much in the US any more. You don't really see many new Accords or Camrys any more, you see CR-Vs and Rav4s. permalink fedilink source parent