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Trump is making China – not America – great again, global survey suggests (www.theguardian.com)
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The 21-country survey for the influential European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) thinktank also found that under Trump, the US is less feared by its traditional adversaries, while its allies – particularly in Europe – feel ever more distant.

The poll, of nearly 26,000 respondents in 13 European countries, the US, China, India, Russia, Turkey, Brazil, South Africa and South Korea, found majorities in almost every territory surveyed expected China’s global influence to grow over the next decade.

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[–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

their economic model is better than the West’s.

Curious, how do you judge that? There are metrics like GDP, GDP per capita, currency exchange rate, etc but being able to compare those means having reliable numbers. AFAIK China stopped publishing some of those metrics (US too! labor related numbers iirc) and the exchange rate does not apply because the RMB is fixed. Going in countries themselves to "check" means little as you can walk through Potemkin villages.

I'm not saying you're wrong only wondering how you reached that conclusion.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I gave an example with EVs. It's still fairly new technology, but China has proven that they can make EVs better and cheaper than their Western counterparts. They can do this with fewer resources and lower GDP than the US and other Western nations.

    The West has gotten bloated and complacent. All they do now is focus on funneling as much money as possible to oligarchs and grifters. They cannot compete anymore and EVs are a symptom of that reality.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    That's a specific technology with resources they have an advantage on (rare earth elements) with a very shaped market (subsidies, tariffs, etc). Countries have historically been very protective of the car industry. They might very much dominate this market more and more (and arguably justified) yet I don't think it's correct to generalize from that example. Also cheaper is not a good metric when the country is known for having work camps or that underpricing a market is in itself a strategy.

    Again I'm not trying to downplay the progress made there (because it is impressive) but I think when a comparison is made it has to be done properly. Here there are quite a few factors that make it difficult plus there is an extrapolation from an example that is not necessarily representative of a trend.

    All that said this it does not justifies problems in the West, including how slow EV adoption was. Both can be painful yet true.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Notice how the EU just succumbed to lobbying from part of the European Auto Industry and cancelled the whole "ICE car sales ban from 2035" having even before that put extra tariffs on EV cars from China (so, not quite as extreme as the US, but none the less a caving to EU auto makers) to help big auto makers in Europe who refuse to transition to EVs (and this at a time where Diesel polution kills about 10,000 people a year in the EU, so they're literally putting the interests of large auto makers over the lives of people).

    You know what they could've done instead?

    Subsidies for European auto manufactures with a large percentage of EV car sales relative to ICE cars (which, if high enough would mean lots of money for subsidizing smaller companies to grow and replace the larger ones if the large makers don't increase their EV sales rather than keeping on extracting juicy margings from ICE SUVs).

    The problem in Europe is political capture by dinossaur businesses which would rather make believe the next great Tech Revolution - around Renewables - isn't happening and have pretty much bought politicians to make sure Europeans and smaller European companies can't easilly benefit from it.

    Europe has the Tech capability to go there but the current political structure (late stage Neoliberal Capitalism) were politicians mainly represent large economic interests (not only above citizens but even above small and mid-size businesses) means that at best politicians simply refuse to send serious money to forward-looking disruptive businesses or forcing the pricing-in of things like Environmental costs in products made by large companies, whilst at worst actually making laws to reduce everybody's options to move away from buying the products of said large companies.

    It might look as an economic and progress problem at first sight, but dive any further and you'll see Economic options being shaped by Politics (in some cases simply by Politicians in Europe choosing "not to intervene in Markets" but only for markets dominated by big players, in other cases by making laws which de facto activelly obstruct adoption of improved Tech) and in turn Politics being shaped by Big Money.

    I think the previous poster was absolutelly correct in their interpretation of the West's problem in this as broader societal problems.

    Mind you, I don't even think that China's political system is all that great - rather I think that in the present day the power structures in the West (more in the US, but also to quiet an extent in Europe) are actually hindering the moving forward even whilst there's plenty of capability to do so (certainly in Europe which mainly has invested massivelly in things like Higher Education).

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