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Can't partner with that eViL AuThOrITarIan china after all! (lemmy.ml)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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[–] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa right now. They're actively working against Europe in Ukraine. Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    History started yesterday, i see.

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  • [+] -13 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    In yester-year China invaded their friends and allies India & Vietnam. Not long Before that Europe was inventing entirely new ways to shaft over the rest of the world. There's really no such thing as a "trustworthy" partner in geopolitics, just Alligned incentives&ideologies

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  • [+] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [+] -15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't realise I mentioned to US in my comment

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa

    So are western countries as well and don't see you crying about it?

    They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine.

    Insisting sanctions to be decided in the UN and not unilaterally by the west when it's NATO expansion that triggered the war is not working against Europe. Providing a framework for peace and trying to facilitate peace talks is not working against Europe. Being the largest trading partner of Ukraine is not working against Europe.

    Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

    Europe and the US are right?

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You do understand that Russia would be collapsing right now without Chinese help.

    You do understand that the war wouldn't have broke out if it weren't for the prospect of NATO expansion?

    They provide all the stuff Russia needs especially dual use goods.

    China provides these for Ukraine as well, so your point is?

    Also lmao actually falling for "dual use" (did you know providing water is dual use, as it quenches the thirst of enemy troops?)

    Europe shot itself in the knee by not preparing for the continuation of the Ukraine war

    Europe shot itself in the foot by not recognizing that expanding a military alliance is seen as a threat when you're not part of it

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  • [+] -9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The expansion of a collective of imperialist nations does not justify another imperialist power's expansion.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    You understand that you’re telling bullshit kremel propaganda?

    You understand that you're telling bullshit NATO propaganda?

    Why are warhawks like mearsheimer saying it's NATO expansion? Why was Joe fucking Biden able to predict in the 90s that NATO expansion would trigger a war?

    My point on the China thing is that they are aktivly supporting our European enemy

    China is also supporting Ukraine and the peace effort (which got cynically dismissed by Europe). Also the "European enemy" was created by NATO. You had a economic partnerships after the dissolution of the UDSSR. Why was NATO allowed to continue to exist when the basis of it's existence was the UDSSR?

    If China were to actively support the war effort on Russias behalf, the war would look much differently.

    What do you not get about it being a problem if they keep Russia in the war???

    Why do you not get that that there's a UN as a forum to bring international issues to? Not unilaterally decide to sanction and pressure/coerce other countries because you try to claim moral high ground? Is it because when the issue would be brought to the UN not every country would be siding with the West and Ukraine on this? Is it because everyone with half a brain sees that provoking this war serves western capital?

    And they don’t provide it in the same way for Ukraine

    You mean the drone parts that china was providing Ukraine until the US pressured to not do so anymore?

    there never was a threat of an intervention in Russia

    Not true when the west was pushing Navalny and arming Ukraine. You're either naive or mad that the Russians aren't

    It’s just that Russia is sad that they can’t pull a Belarus on Ukraine so everyone has to respect their feelings?

    Nation states have interests not feelings. Seeing this lack of understanding of geopolitics is also the reason why you keep repeating NATO propaganda

    What is your point?

    Why are you blaming China when it's obvious that it's the US and European political elite fault that the war is happening

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    as you can see with Belarus and Georgia, those countries just want to decide their own futures

    You mean the US and EU deciding the future for them. Guess you never gave a listen to the leaked Nuland call in regards to Ukraine.

    You're just trying to justify unilateral sanctions by claiming moral high ground and cry about china not following along when it's obvious to them that this war has been provoked by NATO.

    I will stop talking to you.

    Thank you finally

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Belarus sit on the fence for 30 years, until NATO (especially Poland and Lithuania) hybrid warfare and constant subversion culminating in a coup attempt in 2020 resulted in them finally taking the side of Russia because you can't fucking trust Europe on nothing.

    Georgia was so infested by US and western money it has by far highest amount of meddling NGO's per population and it was first set up by NATO into ethnic cleaninsing campaign in Souther Ossetia and attacking Russian peacekeeprs there, fortunately they were wiser than Ukraine and retreated after Russia intervened, i guess they were just not nazi enough for them to fight for EU to the last Georgian.

    Yeah by all means, US empire and their vassals should definitely let those two countries decide for themselves, unfortunately you cannot be neutral to the world hegemon, the only choice is between subjugation or resistance.

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  • [+] -14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I was talking with a Russian expat about"nato threat to Russia", and he just replied laughting "what threat?"

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  • [+] -21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'm just stating facts. China is a geopolitical rival that cannot be trusted by the EU. Less militarily dangerous than Russia, but economically dangerous in every way.

    You seem very emotional about it though.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Europe is an ant compared to china, that's not a rival.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, but that also means that China isn't super trustworthy.

    No one is super trustworthy if they're a giant compared to you. I really like the idea of the EU and being a citizen has been a net positive for sure, but its systems are way too easy to abuse.

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